10-07-2003 23:22									#31
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quote: It is hard to get a smoking gun. Software piracy? Much easier.

this only adds to my argument that those other "divisions" should get more resources and manpower to focus on getting the criminals who cost taxpayers billions.

	10-07-2003 23:27									#32
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But I'm ot trying to take it away from FBI. Their operation buccaneer still was a success. They did manage to get the few groups that were the most legendary, sophisticated and productive. And they sent a clear message that they are coming after you if you do this kind of stuff. I'm sometimes defending downloaders and all, but I dont defend these guys. They actually do damage to the businesses, even though they don't benefit themselves anything else than 'fame', but still.. the demand is too huge to be destroyed, so going after top releasers is effective. There will be always new groups, new guys trying their wings, but they're not so many in the very top level where they are able to release softwares and OS's before official releasing dates. And it doesn't mean they shouldn't fight it because there will be always new guys. So, FBI had a good day

	10-07-2003 23:37									#33
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Razor1911? I remember them from junior high.

	10-07-2003 23:40									#34
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quote: this only adds to my argument that those other "divisions" should get more resources and manpower to focus on getting the criminals who cost taxpayers billions.

They already do. They get the majority of the funding. There are just other laws that also need to be upheld as well. You can't ignore the little laws and only focus on the big laws... that's silly. And the manpower that works in piracy can't be easily transfered to corporate criminals.

	10-07-2003 23:52									#35
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Its Discrimination! In Asia noone cares.

	10-07-2003 23:54									#36
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I'm still curious why Sava feels we shouldn't prosecute computer crimes.

	10-07-2003 23:56									#37
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Because he likes to warez

	10-07-2003 23:57									#38
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quote: Originally posted by muxec FPoet, its really waste of money. There are millions of people who share warez and thousands of those who crack software. So USA simply has no enought room in the jails.

So just because catching the criminals is difficult it must automatically follow that they shouldn't be pursued? You may as well legalise it in that case.

Since when is "everybody does it" a viable defense of any crime?

	11-07-2003 00:40									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'm outraged because there are REAL threats to society running around out there.

They will get around to you sooner or later.

	11-07-2003 00:40									#40
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quote: I'm still curious why Sava feels we shouldn't prosecute computer crimes.

We should! We should be putting the people in jail who copy software and sell it. Not leechers... and certainly not at the expense of investigating people who actually COST me money.

edit: I'm still curious why DD feels we shouldn't prosecute corporate criminals and find terrorists.

	11-07-2003 01:30									#41
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quote: We should! We should be putting the people in jail who copy software and sell it. Not leechers... and certainly not at the expense of investigating people who actually COST me money.

You do realize that copyright laws don't just apply to people who sell software. Distribution can be free as well.

As for the second part, WHY are you against this successful arrest again? Do you have any proof that this came at the expense of investigating corporate criminals? Basically: Put up or shut up.

	11-07-2003 02:10									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava We should! We should be putting the people in jail who copy software and sell it. Not leechers... and certainly not at the expense of investigating people who actually COST me money.

Sava you really need to think before you post. If you buy software, you are paying an additional cost foisted on legitamate buyers to cover the cost of those who COULD pay for it but don't because they pirate it.

	11-07-2003 02:30									#43
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quote: WHY are you against this successful arrest again? Do you have any proof that this came at the expense of investigating corporate criminals?

I'm not against this arrest. I'm against at wasting resources on pseudo-criminals. My proof is simple. The amount of money and manpower the justice dept. has is finite. The amount of money spent on everything is proportional to the whole. More in one area means less in another. It's a simple math concept. Hopefully, you can understand it.

quote: Sava you really need to think before you post. If you buy software, you are paying an additional cost foisted on legitamate buyers to cover the cost of those who COULD pay for it but don't because they pirate it.

Oh please... that's just another excuse for higher prices. If I weren't going to buy say, "Age of Mythology" and I still downloaded it, they aren't losing any money whatsoever. Losing money means you would have gotten it regardless of piracy. And that simply isn't the case. Every game I've ever downloaded is a game I wouldn't have bought. Obviously, my experiences can't speak for everyone, but as with most college students, I don't have much money to spend on computer games. To say that my "piracy" causes these companies to lose money is flagrantly false... and a baseless assertion at best.

It's an excuse created to cover for poor sales. The RIAA does it also. It's a crock, untrue, and only utter morons believe it.

file-sharing

lying corporations

wasting money on prosecuting piracy at the expense of REAL JUSTICE

	11-07-2003 02:41									#44
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* FrustratedPoet throws his hands up in the air and, instead of calling Sava a total fool, has a beer.
* FrustratedPoet offers Sava a beer too

	11-07-2003 02:43									#45
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I was curious when the thread would reach this level of stupidity.

* DinoDoc takes Sava's beer as just recompense for the annoyance he's recieved

	11-07-2003 02:52									#46
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Sorry that you guys are frustrated... I just believe we should prosecute more damaging criminals before little fish... silly me

	11-07-2003 02:52									#47
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	11-07-2003 03:00									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed an easy way to shut down a lot of piracy in the united states is to kill off the highspeed access to universities. college students are too poor to afford the programs, movies and music they want, want everything, and know how to use it.

For a tiny moment I thought you said "kill off students at universities".

	11-07-2003 03:07									#49
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quote: For a tiny moment I thought you said "kill off students at universities".

He's not Fez, mind you.

	11-07-2003 03:12									#50
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quote: I'm against at wasting resources on pseudo-criminals.

Ah, so you don't think we should be going after these criminals? Well then change the law. There are federal copyright laws and there are people that enforce them. Just because the one part of the Department of Justice seems to be better at enforcing the law than another part is kinda silly to get all upset about. There could be reasons that this one part has more success (mostly being on who they are dealing with it).

The law has gotta be enforced. You'd probably still go on a tear if the corporate crimes division got 20 times more funding than the copyright division, but someone's gotta enforce each law.

	11-07-2003 03:21									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Oh please... that's just another excuse for higher prices. If I weren't going to buy say, "Age of Mythology" and I still downloaded it, they aren't losing any money whatsoever. Losing money means you would have gotten it regardless of piracy. And that simply isn't the case. Every game I've ever downloaded is a game I wouldn't have bought. Obviously, my experiences can't speak for everyone, but as with most college students, I don't have much money to spend on computer games. To say that my "piracy" causes these companies to lose money is flagrantly false... and a baseless assertion at best. It's an excuse created to cover for poor sales. The RIAA does it also. It's a crock, untrue, and only utter morons believe it.

And since then entire world is populated by poor college students I guess there's just no arguing with you.

	11-07-2003 11:56									#52
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quote: Since when is "everybody does it" a viable defense of any crime?

Since the begining of humannity. If everybody disobbey the law it means that the law is stupid.


Razor1911 is sufferring for making other people good. Just like Jesus did. His actions were altruistic. He had legal copies but had a pity on thise who can not obtain legal copy. Razor is my hero.

	11-07-2003 16:48									#53
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Razor1911 is sufferring for making other people good. Just like Jesus did.

OMFG! ROFLMAO!

	11-07-2003 16:52									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc OMFG! ROFLMAO!

Yes, the truth is very funny thing. SImply ask yourself, are you as brave as him (Razor1911)? Would you help other people regardless of danger to yourself?

The other common thing that Jesus violated laws of his time.

	11-07-2003 16:54									#55
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I've known the Razor1911 for years, via their own readme's. It's memberlist was impressively large in 1999.

Muxec -- > Heheheh. Hitler was a male. Just like Jesus was.

	11-07-2003 16:55									#56
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Even you can not be this stupid muxec.

	11-07-2003 16:57									#57
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Razor1911 is sufferring for making other people good. Just like Jesus did.

sig!!!!!!!!!!!

	11-07-2003 17:08									#58
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I'm saying my real opinion. Stop laughing! Try thinking deeper. Not deeper into your ass, but deeper into your mind, into your conscience. You, selfish trolls, would you (OK, i know that Azazel would) risk your lifes to make millions of people happier? And he did. Dont write trolling answer immidiately after reading this post, try to think deeper.

I respect those pirates more than Bill Gates. Bill Gates creates software due to his greedyness, but those pirates create their software (cracks) because of humanism.

	11-07-2003 17:09									#59
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Ok, it now seems that (s?)he is serious. We all know the punishment of not agreeing with the majority.

	11-07-2003 17:11									#60
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Muxec, you remain as idiotic as ever. You should actually know what was Bill Gates thinking some 20 years ago. It's thanks to HIM, largely, why so many people now have computers and while it's not a rare thing. Besides, he doesn't make software anymore. he did right things at the right time, so he does now make money. People such as you, who can hardly invent anything, will not get more than 200 bucks a month no matter how hard you try.

And as you grow up you should understand that making other people happier is a good thing.