11-07-2003 17:16									#62
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	11-07-2003 17:18									#63
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	11-07-2003 17:21									#64
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2Solver, thank you

2Tuomerehu, one wise man said "If I was really wise I would remain silent". The majority is not always right.

	11-07-2003 17:24									#65
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quote: 2Tuomerehu, one wise man said "If I was really wise I would remain silent". The majority is not always right.

Well, if you were silent, not only would you show how wise you are, but you would also make many people happy.

	11-07-2003 17:42									#66
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Just think deeper. You are poisoned by American pop-culture and tend to separate evil from good. Even terrorist can be good. Just listen to me.

It happened in Kharkow (Ukraine) in 1998. Ukrainian politicans stolen all remaining money from the country and Ukraine became uncapable of paying for gas. The country remained without energy. The city was sheldued so, that we got electricity only few hours a day. And in this time the whole story happened. 9-years boy phoned to police and said "I'm a terrorist, if we'll not have electricity 24-hours a day, the city hall will explode". He was cought next day, and his parents were sentensed. But we, all the 2Mil. population, had electricity the whole day. When I heard about this on TV i felt like now all the city will wake up, and start revolt against corrupted govt., but nothing happened. One 9-years old boy was more brave, than the whole 2 million other citizen. He is my hero.

The story is REAL. People who live in democratic countries think, that this can not happen, but it's real story.

	11-07-2003 17:44									#67
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Yeah, but this boy claimed to be terrorist. He wasn't. Calling a bomb threat doesn't exactly qualify.

	11-07-2003 17:47									#68
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quote: Just think deeper. You are poisoned by American pop-culture and tend to separate evil from good. Even terrorist can be good. Just listen to me.

All I need is to read the first sentence to realise that you are yet again using absolutely flawed argumentation. For heaven's sake, American pop-culture is stuff like Britney, Avril, and what not. Pop-culture has nothing to do with computers, warez or piracy. Besides, I couldn't care less about it.

Now, because I live in a nowadays-democratic country, unlike Ukraine, there's no chance in hell it would happen. If electricity was lost in the entire city, everyone would anyway work with all possible speed to restore it. Besides, if they caught the boy, they could not have believed the threat. The boy basically did a criminal act.

	11-07-2003 17:54									#69
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quote: The boy basically did a criminal act.

It's actually the thing I'm speaking about. Disobey dumb laws! If the first thief is the government be like it!

quote: Pop-culture has nothing to do with computers, warez or piracy.

First i say that the important part of American culture as we foreighners see it is contrast. Good and evil. Look at Disney's cartoons. Bright colors. Good and evil.
Second. If i'm downloading Britney's mp3 for a free it's warez.

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quote: It's actually the thing I'm speaking about. Disobey dumb laws!

Yeah, let's disobey them! I believe I have some weapons at home... hmm, I think I'm gonna shoot my boss, the guy who likes my girlfriend, and while I'm at it, the annoying 3 years old out there who screams the entire day.

quote: If the first thief is the government be like it!

Another sign of dumbness. Dumb people can only think along the lines of doing something like someone else does, no thinking on their own.

quote: First i say that the important part of American culture as we foreighners see it is contrast. Good and evil. Look at Disney's cartoons. Bright colors. Good and evil.

Disney's cartoons have the target audience of 8 year old kids. If you still have the mental level of an 8 years old, then you should be somewhere else, not here.

	11-07-2003 18:17									#71
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quote: Yeah, let's disobey them! I believe I have some weapons at home... hmm, I think I'm gonna shoot my boss, the guy who likes my girlfriend, and while I'm at it, the annoying 3 years old out there who screams the entire day.

Yes, it's really good example. Who create laws? Ordinary people. Few laws (murder, for example) are rummored to be gifted by God. But the whole thing is, that if majority disobeys the law the law is stupid. It was something about this at www.stupid.com at section called "Stupid words of wisdom". If you hate www.stupid.com you can read Dostoevsky. Reading about Raskolnikov we realize, that murder is almost always crime, but prostitution is not. Real crime is the crime that harms somebody. Or harms more seriously that helps. Is self defensive killing crime?

quote: Disney's cartoons have the target audience of 8 year old kids. If you still have the mental level of an 8 years old, then you should be somewhere else, not here.

8-years is the age, when the moral qualities of the personality are being formed.

quote: Another sign of dumbness.

I told you before, that I'm stupid and I know this. You told me nothing new.

	11-07-2003 18:22									#72
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quote: Reading about Raskolnikov we realize, that murder is almost always crime, but prostitution is not.

I think you should go back and read the book again. Although, that comment was so dumb I doubt you've even read it once.

	11-07-2003 18:32									#73
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quote: Yes, it's really good example. Who create laws? Ordinary people. Few laws (murder, for example) are rummored to be gifted by God. But the whole thing is, that if majority disobeys the law the law is stupid. It was something about this at www.stupid.com at section called "Stupid words of wisdom". If you hate www.stupid.com you can read Dostoevsky. Reading about Raskolnikov we realize, that murder is almost always crime, but prostitution is not. Real crime is the crime that harms somebody. Or harms more seriously that helps. Is self defensive killing crime?

So you're saying that anything that is not at Shmot 20:1-18 is a stupid law, invented by people? Please PM me your address and I will send some people to burn your house - I see no reason to obey the laws .

And if the 'majority' disobeys the laws it merely means that the world is no good and the majority are criminals.

quote: 8-years is the age, when the moral qualities of the personality are being formed.

Yeah, but in every case except for yours, personalities also change when they grow up from being 8.

	11-07-2003 20:47									#74
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The professional 'pirates' are just goddam lying cheating scumbag theives. If it was easier or more profitable for them to steal milk from babies, the crooked scum would be doing that. Only a fool would believe that most thieves give a damn about anyone or anuthing, but himself and what he can get for himself.

	11-07-2003 21:08									#75
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I thought that was the government and Hollywood...

	11-07-2003 21:30									#76
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How much money do warez groups steal from movie companies/game companies anyway? Are there any estimates? Thousands? Millions?

	11-07-2003 21:37									#77
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Millions of course. If you look at it, in many countries more than 50% of software used is warez. In other, it's more than 90%

	11-07-2003 22:19									#78
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Bullshit. :thumbsdown:


This is urinal-poop. So I guess its ok to Steal billions and destabilize the economy, yet I cant sample a game like Warcraft?

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	11-07-2003 22:59									#80
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Sure every thief thinks he's Robin Hood, doing a great service for the benefit of all mankind, but oftentimes the truth is much simpler. He's just a thief who at the moment has not yet been caught.

Since real people expend real time and real effort producing software, music, books and such, there can be no argument that you are acquiring a thing of value when you receive it. Doing so without permission is what we call stealing.

	11-07-2003 23:13									#81
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complete Urinal-poop........ Meanwhile 40 exec's from Enron are basking in the sun at there summer beach houses.

Our priorities are ****ed up.

	11-07-2003 23:19									#82
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Question more or less comes down to this...

Should morality be on a sliding scale?

The answer would have to be yes, for happiness also is.

	11-07-2003 23:19									#83
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Urinal-poop ...must stop saying..that

Sorry...I had a strange expierence at Hardee's last week. Went to piss and saw someone shitting in the urinal. The stall was Out of Order

	11-07-2003 23:28									#84
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the barbarians are here!

	11-07-2003 23:32									#85
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No Steve, you really need to stop saying that...

	12-07-2003 10:28									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola The professional 'pirates' are just goddam lying cheating scumbag theives. If it was easier or more profitable for them to steal milk from babies, the crooked scum would be doing that. Only a fool would believe that most thieves give a damn about anyone or anuthing, but himself and what he can get for himself.

You are fat scum living in rich country. Did you really see people who steal milk?

	12-07-2003 10:37									#87
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most of the pirates are overseas in asia, or in college dorms.

if they really wanted to shut piracy down, they'd have to go for a regime change in china, korea, taiwan, and southeast asia... and then turn dictatorial, while simultaneously busting down dorm rooms in college.

	12-07-2003 10:38									#88
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Bullshit. :thumbsdown: This is urinal-poop. So I guess its ok to Steal billions and destabilize the economy, yet I cant sample a game like Warcraft?

What did he steal? What was destabilaze. All those who use Razor1911 warcraft (i'm downloading this now) would never buy legal just because they have no money. All those who are rich would not use warez edition just because they are rich enought to respect copyrights. I asked hundreds of people, both those who use warez and those who use licensed. Evrybody who use licensed say "I'll be keep buying real even if warez is widely available". Those who use warez say "Even if there was no warez i would not buy legal"


2Solver, you did not get the point. I mentioned Zhmot-20 to explain laws that are obeyed by majority just because these laws suitable in the real world.


2FrustratedPoet. Dostoevsky justificates Sonya who victimazed herself, but have no justification for Raskolnikov

	12-07-2003 10:42									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed most of the pirates are overseas in asia, or in college dorms. if they really wanted to shut piracy down, they'd have to go for a regime change in china, korea, taiwan, and southeast asia... and then turn dictatorial, while simultaneously busting down dorm rooms in college.

Dictature may really prevent warez. But does Chinese government really want to stop piracy? China doesnt want money to be paid for software/movies and to be moved to USA.

It's proven by history, that dictature can prevent "illegal' information from being shared. If USA move Death Penalty for piracy and will kill few million people warez will be defeated.

	12-07-2003 10:49									#90
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Most warez people are in it for the kicks rather than any actual advantage for self.