12-07-2003 04:27									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And actually... I'd take Dilfer over both of them. Look at what he did in Seattle before he got hurt last year.

Is Dilfer still in Seatle?

	12-07-2003 04:29									#32
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Bullshit... Dilfer is the most underrated passer in the game. He has a great arm, and a decent touch. Just because he played in a shithole of Tampa for most of his career doesn't mean he is bad.

He is a better QB than either Fiedler or Griese. For one, say what you will, but he took a team that was floundering with Tony Banks (hovering at .500) and took them to a SuperBowl.

	12-07-2003 04:31									#33
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quote: Is Dilfer still in Seatle?

Yes... not sure if he's still the starter. Holmgren changes his mind every day, and Hasselback took some good steps late last year.

	12-07-2003 04:33									#34
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I saw Dilfer play plenty at Fresno State. It was tremendous here. He does have great potential, and Seattle should be better this year.

	12-07-2003 04:36									#35
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quote: Dilfer is the most underrated passer in the game.

Dilfer's arm isn't that great. Even if it was, arm strength doesn't keep you from being the next Jeff George.

	12-07-2003 04:40									#36
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He's also fairly accurate. He's a good QB. All he needs is a team with an offense. So far Seattle is his best shot.

I can just picture you laughing in 1987 if I told you Tampa's Steve Young was a good passer as well .

	12-07-2003 04:41									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I think (total guess, btw) Tampa v. St. Louis (or Philadelphia)

It's going to interesting to see how St. Louis tries to bounce back.

Anyone have Warner high on their Fantasy Football wishlist?

	12-07-2003 04:42									#38
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quote: I can just picture you laughing in 1987 if I told you Tampa's Steve Young was a good passer as well

If Steve Young had spent as many years failing in Tamba Bay as Dilfer with a defense as good as the one Dilfer had, I would laugh at you. Fortunately for me, the two situations aren't similar in the least.

	12-07-2003 04:45									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni It's going to interesting to see how St. Louis tries to bounce back. Anyone have Warner high on their Fantasy Football wishlist?

Warner is a maybe, but we've got Marc Bulger waiting in the wings.

	12-07-2003 04:47									#40
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I'm wicked dumb

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	12-07-2003 04:49									#41
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quote: If Steve Young had spent as many years failing in Tamba Bay as Dilfer with a defense as good as the one Dilfer had, I would laugh at you. Fortunately for me, the two situations aren't similar in the least.

What does the defense have to do with offensive stats?

They are very similar. Both played on HORRIBLE Tampa offenses. Both were considered bad QBs because of the teams they played on. Dilfer had just as horrible an offensive line and wide recievers. In his last three years at Tampa, he had decent years even with those setbacks.

	12-07-2003 04:51									#42
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quote: The NFC is going to come down to New England versus Atlanta.

	12-07-2003 04:51									#43
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 The NFC is going to come down to New England versus Atlanta.

Eh...Patriots are in the AFC o_O

	12-07-2003 04:52									#44
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 The NFC is going to come down to New England versus Atlanta.

To quote Imran:



Think about it.......

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	12-07-2003 04:53									#45
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Drake:

Dilfer's last three Tampa teams were 11-5 in 1999 (with Shawn King starting 6 games that year), 8-8 in 1998, and 10-6 in 1997. That's not bad at all. That doesn't seem like 'failing' with a good defense.

	12-07-2003 04:53									#46
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quote: Both played on HORRIBLE Tampa offenses. Both were considered bad QBs because of the teams they played on.

Bullshit. The Tampa offense that Dilfer played on was one of the best rushing offenses in the league. If the offense was considered bad (which it really wasn't), it was because of Dilfer's horrible play. The man sucks, plain and simple.

	12-07-2003 05:02									#47
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quote: The Tampa offense that Dilfer played on was one of the best rushing offenses in the league.

What?!

Rushing Yards Rank - Tampa Offense (Dungy & Dilfer Years):

1999: 15th (4th in attempts)
1998: 4th (3rd in attempts)
1997: 11th (8th in attempts)
1996: 22th (12th in attempts)

Rushing Yards Per Attempt

1999: 22nd
1998: 10th
1997: 13th
1996: 28th

How the Hell THAT becomes one of the best rushing offenses in the league is beyond me. Your recollections are ****. In 1998 they were great, but the rest of the time crap.

No rushing and a lot of attempts indicates the offensive line was crap, and Dilfer wasn't allowed to throw the ball... which seems obvious because Brad Johnson, after getting a new coach, suddenly seems reborn.

quote: The man sucks, plain and simple.

Fine, I'll take him on my team . You can have Fiedler.

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Awww, Dilfer sucks.

	12-07-2003 05:05									#49
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quote: About basketball, Jason Kidd and Alanzo Mourning have just joined the NJ Nets.

uhmmm Jason Kidd was already with the Nets...

quote: The Glove, the Mailman, the Rapist and Big Aristotle all on the same team? Can they be stopped? Are they the best team ever assembled? What do you guys think?

Don't get your hopes up Drake... basketball is not a sport where you can stack 4 primadonnas on a team and hope for success. The best basketball team assembled were the Bulls with Rodman, Pippen, and Jordan. That Lakers team might have success, but they won't dominate. Those 4 guys (Kobe, Shaq, Payt, and Malone) each need the ball to succeed. Good basketball teams are created around 1 or 2 superstars with a strong bench and star role players. That Laker team is not a recipe for success.

Shaq... too fat...
Kobe... can't keep it in his pants... also is Jordan without the defense
Payton... might trash talk a team into submission...
Malone... no D... needs the ball... it will get crowded at the net with both Shaq and Karl there...

San Antonio is still better.

	12-07-2003 05:05									#50
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Admit it, you'd take him .

Hell, if I was Parcells, I'd take him too. Good steady QB to teach the young-uns. Then you'd have two Fresno State QBs starting in Texas .

	12-07-2003 05:07									#51
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quote: uhmmm Jason Kidd was already with the Nets...

Not the way they were playing it here . It's like New Jersey stole him from San Antonio .

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quote: Not the way they were playing it here . It's like New Jersey stole him from San Antonio .

uhmmm yeah... except there was a guy named Tony Parker who is better than Kidd, IMO...

silly Imran...

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: uhmmm Jason Kidd was already with the Nets... Not the way they were playing it here . It's like New Jersey stole him from San Antonio .

That's the way they were talking her in S.A. also.

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Parcells rocks. Even if they lose the next 3 years, he rocks.

	12-07-2003 05:11									#55
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What are you on about now?

Yeah, I know about Tony Parker, but he would have most like moved to 2 if Kidd went to SA.

	12-07-2003 05:13									#56
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quote: What are you on about now?

a few beers... maybe I'll smoke a bowl in a few hours...

quote: Yeah, I know about Tony Parker, but he would have most like moved to 2 if Kidd went to SA.

Why would SA get rid of someone better (Parker) just to get the wife-beating, ugly-kid bearing Jason Kidd?

	12-07-2003 05:15									#57
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Um.. because Kidd is the better player .

He's only the second most valuable player in the league after Duncan. Quick exercise... check to see NJ's record the year BEFORE Kidd came to the Nets... and their record the years Kidd was here.

	12-07-2003 05:20									#58
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So umm.. I think Roddick and Agassi will do well in the upcoming US Open. Hardcourt suits Hewitt's play style well so he should have a decent chance too.

	12-07-2003 05:29									#59
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quote: Um.. because Kidd is the better player

depends on who you talk to... Parker is younger... IMO, is better, but even if you believe he's not as good as Kidd, he definitely has a higher ceiling. Plus, I don't think Kidd's ego would be good for SA.

quote: He's only the second most valuable player in the league after Duncan. Quick exercise... check to see NJ's record the year BEFORE Kidd came to the Nets... and their record the years Kidd was here.

nah, I'd choose McGrady and Garnett as MVP before Kidd. Kidd helped NJ, there's no doubt, but he's not the only player contributing to NJ's success.

Don't get me wrong, Kidd is an All-Star and an excellent point guard (a valuable commodity in this league) but for my money... I'd take Parker. And apparantly... so would SA. btw... between Parker and Kidd, who's won more titles? yeah I thought so...

	12-07-2003 05:31									#60
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quote: And apparantly... so would SA.

No, they were forced with the choice . SA offered ALL they could to get Kidd. He turned them down.

quote: btw... between Parker and Kidd, who's won more titles?

Give Kidd Tim Duncan this year and then we'll ask that question again .