11-07-2003 23:29									#1
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ND sent us this shot.

From Darekill:

quote: Borc has wrote you a mail. I will try to provide you with some additional info There is a spanish Horseman that will see your Riders this turn. If it sees you he will add one and one and know what's going on. So i think we have to talk about it. We have a quickpoll here about the simulator. We want to know if we can give you the inbfo about our units that you requestet. We can not make this desicion without the parliament. But i_'m sure we will provide you with the info tomorow. Til lata Darekill (no i'm not Trip in disguise )

I don't have Borc's mail that Darekill talks about though.

I sent this response:

quote: OK; I'm posting this in the forums now. I can chat really any time now, but I don't know if any others can make it. I am of the opinion that we should keep on as planned, as RP will know we are coming the turn after this one anyways. We will try to convince them however that it is a diversionary force with us looking to attack you. Maybe it will spread a reasonable doubt to them... but maybe not. Lets try to stay on schedule, so that RP gets chivalry as late into the war as possible. Panzer32

	11-07-2003 23:36									#2
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Our options:

1. Delay the war and bypass this annoying horse.

2. Not care and proceed with plan

3. Have ND kill the horse and violate MPP

	11-07-2003 23:37									#3
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I support not caring and proceeding with plan (RP is going to see us next turn anyways).

However, I want to see how other people think.

	11-07-2003 23:42									#4
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One turn delay alternate plan:

(not really advocating yet, just thinking) Hmm still no attachments...

	11-07-2003 23:45									#5
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With a one turn delay, we attack the same turn as ND, and have surprise still (possibly, see my crazy mutterings in the RP FAM thread) at least SOME surprise.


What if they have a pike on that mountain, though?

I know I would...

	11-07-2003 23:45									#6
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I'm on #gow_cofa (dtrategy password) with Darekill; Borc is coming shortly.

	11-07-2003 23:46									#7
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Unortho, ND is attacking in 10bc same as us.

	11-07-2003 23:47									#8
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when that happen?

Oh well, no matter.

	12-07-2003 00:30									#9
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* Now talking in #gow_cofa
[Panzer32] hi
* Retrieving #gow_cofa info...
[[ND]Darekill] Hi!
[Panzer32] could you please op me?
* Borc has joined #GoW_CoFA
* Borc is now known as [ND]Borc
* [ND]Darekill sets mode: +o Panzer32
[[ND]Borc] hello!
* [ND]Darekill sets mode: +o Panzer32
* Panzer32 sets mode: +k dtrategy
* Panzer32 sets mode: +nts
* Trip` has joined #gow_cofa
[[ND]Darekill] I've found out that if we keep our 3. Infanterie where it is and you move Sir Unorthodox one tile south they just see Sir Unortho.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Borc
[Panzer32] now the problem is that we were planning to move our stack S-S.
[Panzer32] it would see all 10 riders
[[ND]Darekill] ouch!
[[ND]Darekill] Than they will never belive any storry we could make up.
[Panzer32] we do have a plan so that they don't see us; but our attack is delayed by 1 turn. Just let me give you the link...
[Panzer32] http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Un...Wattackplan.jpg
* UnOrthOdOx has joined #GoW_cofa
[Panzer32] hey Uno
[UnOrthOdOx] uh oh, the all seeing eye is here.
[Panzer32] just told them about your attack suggestion
* Panzer32 sets mode: +o UnOrthOdOx
[UnOrthOdOx] Hey, Borc, Darekill.
[[ND]Darekill] This second route woud be better i think.
[Panzer32] *Trip feeds info to RP ]
[UnOrthOdOx] Just FYI, I am our rep to GS
[[ND]Borc] hi unorthodox!
[Trip`] I see everything that goes on
[[ND]Darekill] if partly read your reports. :top:
[UnOrthOdOx] Thanks.
[UnOrthOdOx] great place to put (mis)info
[[ND]Darekill] but on the other hand one turn later is not good either.
[UnOrthOdOx] We will face more troops, if only a few more, true.
[Panzer32] BTW, Ive mailed most active GoW members so maybe they might come here
[UnOrthOdOx] I feel surprise is more important, however.
[[ND]Borc] ...you would need a RoP for the new way... can RP see the ROP then?
[UnOrthOdOx] I have a plan that could make RP feel we are still their friends.
[UnOrthOdOx] No, we wouldn't.
[UnOrthOdOx] Not IN GAME.
[UnOrthOdOx] It uses the 3 move of the riders.
[UnOrthOdOx] and, yes they would see an in-game ROP
[[ND]Darekill] right. a ROP would not help.
[[ND]Darekill] So we would make this an out game RoP
[UnOrthOdOx] right.
[UnOrthOdOx] will be in-game after the war starts.
[UnOrthOdOx]
[Panzer32] Uno: what plan do you have?
* UnOrthOdOx likes 9 moves to head south.
[[ND]Darekill] And if you atack Mavdad you shall drop dead
[UnOrthOdOx] Ok, I have a IM with Togas.
[UnOrthOdOx] Convinced him me and MZ don't agree on anything.
[UnOrthOdOx] that's why I have GS, I told him.
[UnOrthOdOx] I propose having me 'take over' RP and tell them ND forced us to sell Chiv (ND already told them that)
[UnOrthOdOx] Part of that was 10 turns no trade.
[UnOrthOdOx] Tell them we traded fairly with GS
[UnOrthOdOx] Then GS refuses a NAP, added 1 turn clause to the lux trade, and refuses to make tech deals for the future.
[UnOrthOdOx] (basically tell them the truth)
[UnOrthOdOx] We see this as an alliance to destroy us.
[UnOrthOdOx] tell them we feel that RP is in on it as well.
[[ND]Darekill] Spain has a vessel in the West that will see the Troops for Operation "Zahnarzt" "dentist"
[UnOrthOdOx] That it is all a ruse forcing us to either break the 10 turn no trade or agrevate RP so that a whole grand alliance against GoW is begun.
[UnOrthOdOx] giving all an excuse to attack us.
[[ND]Darekill] We will tell them the boats ar heading North to Ttung. but we will have to move them south next turn.
[[ND]Darekill] Tatung
[UnOrthOdOx] Then ask them to prove their friendship by declaring war in (insert number of turns) on ND
[UnOrthOdOx] As long as number of turns is greater than our attack, should work.
[Panzer32] sounds good Uno
[UnOrthOdOx] Such is what fevers and medication do to my brain.
[UnOrthOdOx] reguarding the routes.
[UnOrthOdOx] I would prefer the one turn delay to keep them guessing where an attack will come from.
[UnOrthOdOx] Then, seeing our troops could also force them to split forces.
[UnOrthOdOx] Im not sure of troop positions, but this could also cause our initial stack to fail.
[UnOrthOdOx] They would certainly wall up...what was that city name?
[Panzer32] I am in favour of keeping our original attack plan. The original calls for ND and us to attack on same turn, but if we delay a turn, ND will probably have a hard time in the west.
[[ND]Darekill] Toledo.
[[ND]Darekill] We already have a hard time two walled citys.
[UnOrthOdOx] yep.
[[ND]Darekill] If we move our two ships sout next turn and we must do this if we don'T want to loose Opertation "Zahnarzt" then spain will know everything anyway.
[UnOrthOdOx] is that the one to cut Iron?
[UnOrthOdOx] sorry...
[[ND]Borc] right
[[ND]Darekill] the longer i think about it the more i'm sure we can't fool them anylonger.
[UnOrthOdOx] So, if we go alternate route, they will not attack your ships?
[[ND]Darekill] We will protect our ships.
[[ND]Darekill] go the fast route. We can't trick them.
[Panzer32] fast route is what I support
[[ND]Darekill] If you taker the fast route they know this turn what's up.
[UnOrthOdOx] Yep.
[UnOrthOdOx] Can you guys hold the save?
[[ND]Darekill] If you take the slow one they know next but you attac later too.
[UnOrthOdOx] Panzer too?
[UnOrthOdOx] I need to inform GS before RP does.
[[ND]Darekill] We hold it already.
[UnOrthOdOx] I mean, no hurry to play it.
[Panzer32] Uno, you want to delay until GS chat?
[[ND]Darekill] yes we slow that thing down.
[Panzer32] (after)
[UnOrthOdOx] If possible, I can't get an answer from them.
[UnOrthOdOx] Just PM'd NYE
[Panzer32] but after that we want to go as fast as possible so maybe RP feels rushed.
[[ND]Darekill] another indicator for RP but like i said i don't think they get fooled any longer .
[UnOrthOdOx] If neccessary Ill lay it out through PM.
[Trip`] NYE doesn't come online until later
[Trip`] fyi :P
[UnOrthOdOx] I just saw him.
[Panzer32] Trip, thanks for the game-breaking information :P
[UnOrthOdOx] And he's read it.
[UnOrthOdOx] :P
[Trip`] everyone needs a little help sometimes
* UnOrthOdOx bets trip is really enjoying this.
[UnOrthOdOx] GS knows we want a chat for tonight.
* Trip` wonders if you will be any more successful than Vox
[UnOrthOdOx] Always worth a shot.
[Panzer32] Vox wasn't 2 teams
[UnOrthOdOx] Oh, ND...would you consider allowing GS to join us?
[UnOrthOdOx] On the premise that they cannot stay, but we agree to help them with lego after.
[Panzer32] Vox wasn't 3 teams
[Trip`] maybe they were and you just don't know it
[UnOrthOdOx] Rp doesn't count as a team...what did they send?
[UnOrthOdOx] and our hearts weren't in it.
[[ND]Darekill] So GS will send Troops to Borconia?
[UnOrthOdOx] We can ask tonight in a chat.
[UnOrthOdOx] Im trying to schedule one.
[UnOrthOdOx] At the very least, we are going to ask them to float some galleys around south to make RP think
[[ND]Borc] would be funny :-)
[[ND]Darekill] O.K. as long as it ensures they are not attacking us.
[UnOrthOdOx] GS wants to head for Lego. We agree to an alliance there, after RP. They might be willing.
[UnOrthOdOx] Then we just need to take out GS and have a very fun end game between us
[[ND]Darekill] O.K can you e-mail us if you take the fast way or the other one before we have to make the move?
[[ND]Borc] we will hold the save
[UnOrthOdOx] I can support either, really. Go fast, it will force them to split forces.
[UnOrthOdOx] Panzer, whats on Bilboa task force?
[UnOrthOdOx] 4 riders?
[Panzer32] y
[UnOrthOdOx] We might need to divert them to be sure of Toledo with RP having another turn to prepare...
[Panzer32] you mean integrate them with AFT?
[[ND]Borc] Bye GoW-Riders... RL is calling me again... cu later... lets attack!
[UnOrthOdOx] yes...
[UnOrthOdOx] I'ld rather be certain to take the size 6 than raze the size one.
[UnOrthOdOx] we can poll on it though.
[[ND]Borc] can you send us the chat log again... bye
[Panzer32] ok
[[ND]Borc] thank you all!
* [ND]Borc has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving )
[UnOrthOdOx] Igtg too.
[UnOrthOdOx] We can discuss this in forum.
[Trip`] aw come on, just play it, I want to see what Togas says when he gets the save
[UnOrthOdOx] The next SPIN should be....um interesting...
[Panzer32] Unortho, we can't integrate AFB into AFT without waiting a turn
[[ND]Darekill] i think he will be quite a bit astonished and maybe he'll rise an eyebrow
[UnOrthOdOx] ok, that's fine.

	12-07-2003 02:37									#10
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We have to say whether we're going ahead with the original plan before ND sends the turn; if you want to detour, please state your arguments. Otherwise, I need to send the email ASAP to get the turn tonight.

	12-07-2003 05:36									#11
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Well... nobody spoke up so I'm telling ND were moving the way we originally planned.