12-07-2003 01:10									#1
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Well, Vox can still be of some use for us now, the can use the ol' embassy spying trick to help us investigate RP cities.

How is this done? First, we ask them to place an embassy on RP if they haven't done so already. Poof. Pictures of their captial. We share this cost with ND of course. Then we give $$ to Vox so they can investigate other RP cities, since they are relatively small, the cost shouldn't be too much, we can ask ND to pay for the cities on their front, and we'll pay for cities on our front.

Yes, I know that this involves $$ and that we're a bit stingy in this regards but there is NOTHING more valuable in war than to know the deployment of their troops before hand. This might cost $$ but the amount it may well save us from unit losses, is IMO well worth it.

If people agree, I will try and contact Beta ASAP...

	12-07-2003 20:20									#2
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Lets get a chat with Vox set up sometime

	12-07-2003 22:04									#3
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I'm one step ahead of you....

I'm arranging a quick chat with Beta for sometime during the weekend... no definite time yet, I'm awaiting his response

	14-07-2003 08:58									#4
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Chat with Beta:

quote: Session Start: Sun Jul 13 21:48:22 2003 Session Ident: #GoW_CoFA [21:48] * Now talking in #GoW_CoFA [21:48] * UnOrthOdOx has joined #GoW_cofa [21:49] [UnOrthOdOx] We expecting someone? [21:49] [MasterZen] yep, Beta [21:49] [UnOrthOdOx] Ok...about? [21:49] [UnOrthOdOx] oh, spying? [21:49] * Beta has joined #GoW_CoFA [21:49] [Beta] Greetings! [21:50] [UnOrthOdOx] It is the great minister of information himself [21:50] * Panzer32 has joined #gow_cofa [21:50] [Panzer32] hi Beta [21:50] [Beta] Hello gents. [21:50] [MasterZen] a legend of such stature in our chatroom, I am humbled [21:50] [Beta] I am laying low these days. [21:50] [Beta] hehe ...thanks. [21:50] [Beta] So - waz up? [21:50] [MasterZen] anyway, us peaceniks just wanted to have a little word with you [21:51] [Beta] Rumor on the street is that you are going to kick some RP butt soon. [21:51] [UnOrthOdOx] What? [21:51] [Beta] yup [21:51] [Panzer32] get a pwd please [21:51] [MasterZen] who is dishing out such blasphemy? * Retrieving #GoW_CoFA info... [21:51] [UnOrthOdOx] After all my hard work... [21:51] [Beta] pwd? [21:51] * MasterZen sets mode: +ps [21:51] * MasterZen sets mode: +k asdf [21:52] [UnOrthOdOx] Password. [21:52] [MasterZen] password is asdf [21:52] [Beta] hehe ... the innocents... I love it. [21:52] [MasterZen] we are not confirming or denying anything, all I can say is something is going to happen against one of the bobians [21:52] [Beta] hmmm - ok - my lips are sealed. [21:53] [UnOrthOdOx] We are in active negotiations with both right now, actually. [21:53] [MasterZen] we're still mercenaries, up until the very last turn [21:53] [UnOrthOdOx] Higest bidder baby. [21:53] [Beta] I don't really care - as long as you win. [21:53] [UnOrthOdOx] highest [21:53] [MasterZen] thanks [21:53] [MasterZen] ok, here's the deal, this might sound strange but, we need your help!! [21:54] * UnOrthOdOx laughs [21:54] [Beta] Ok - it will cost you - 1000 gold. My final offer. [21:54] [UnOrthOdOx] oh wait, he's serious. [21:54] * MasterZen hands Beta 1000g [21:54] [Beta] Ok - seroius - fire away. [21:54] [MasterZen] we were thinking if you could help us with some espionage [21:54] [Beta] OK? [21:55] [MasterZen] do you have an embassy with either ND or RP? [21:55] [Beta] RP. [21:55] [MasterZen] ok, well, should either one of them be the target, would you mind us paying you for city investigating? [21:55] [Beta] Could do. [21:56] [MasterZen] if it's ND we'll pay the embassy cost. After that we'll pay you in advance for each city [21:56] [MasterZen] and we were thinking of rewarding you with perhaps a very very very juicy tech deal in the future [21:56] [Beta] Any luxuries? [21:56] [MasterZen] you like wine? [21:57] [Beta] We like wine - and techs. [21:57] [MasterZen] good good... [21:57] * MasterZen starts rubbing his hands [21:57] [Beta] Ok - when and who and how? [21:57] [MasterZen] who, we'll tell you next turn [21:57] [Beta] k [21:58] [MasterZen] we just need you to tell us how much an embassy with ND would cost, and how much much it cost the most expensive RP city [21:58] [MasterZen] that should also give us a clue of how much an ND city would cost too [21:59] [Beta] OK - will check next turn - or do you need that now? [22:00] [Beta] Well - its going to be next turn because I am going to bed soon. [22:00] [MasterZen] next turn is fine with us [22:01] [MasterZen] we also need a secrecy arrangement. This deal, whoever it is against, shall remain secret among us. [22:01] [Beta] And this obvoiusly stays between us. [22:01] [Beta] hehe - great, devious minds think alike. [22:01] [MasterZen] btw, what future tech might you desire?? [22:02] [Beta] Not sure - will get back to you on that one. btw - engineering coming your way next turn. For 35 gold. [22:02] [Panzer32] ok, thanks Beta [22:02] [MasterZen] don't worry, I'd be willing to gift you a tech if you guys helps us out here. Of course, the team would have to agree, but I'll just smack them if they don't [22:02] [Panzer32] We can give you some juicy deals in return [22:03] [Panzer32] xpost [22:03] [UnOrthOdOx] Im up for gifting. [22:03] [UnOrthOdOx] (it's not like they have anything anyway :P) [22:03] [MasterZen] so, free lux and free tech [22:04] [Panzer32] high-tech Voxian parties [22:04] [Beta] Ok - I will check the investigating costs and get back to you, and then you let me know what you want . [22:04] [MasterZen] great [22:04] [Panzer32] great! [22:04] [Beta] Pz32 - yes! [22:04] [Beta] And secrecy on this one for sure. [22:04] [Panzer32] Well I'm off to bed too [22:04] [MasterZen] thank you, we appreciate it [22:04] [Panzer32] yes, secrecy [22:04] [MasterZen] cya Panzer [22:04] [Beta] night! [22:04] [Panzer32] night, Beta, etc! [22:05] [Beta] Ok guys - me too. [22:05] * Panzer32 has quit IRC (Quit: ) [22:05] [MasterZen] ok, thanks for coming [22:05] [Beta] And remember Vox's moto - [22:05] [Beta] Peace, baby. [22:05] [MasterZen] well, there won't be much of that soon... [22:05] [Beta] Best of luck my friends. My heart will be with you. [22:06] [MasterZen] but your help will undoubtedly make it quicker [22:06] [Beta] Rp - the weasels. [22:06] [MasterZen] you hate them? [22:06] [Beta] nah - just don't trust them. [22:07] [MasterZen] hehehehe [22:07] [Beta] And can't read ND which is worse. I figure you are athe only ones who have connected with them. [22:07] [UnOrthOdOx] Not trusting a LAWYER!?!?!?! [22:07] [UnOrthOdOx] WHY? [22:07] [MasterZen] ND is very reserved [22:07] [Beta] He Uno - what;s black and tan and looks stunning on a lawyer? [22:08] [MasterZen] ? [22:08] [Beta] A doberman. [22:08] [MasterZen] hahahahaa [22:08] [UnOrthOdOx] hehehe [22:08] [MasterZen] ah, Togas is a cool guy, regardless of him being a lawyer [22:08] * UnOrthOdOx is now known as Dr [22:08] [Beta] Ok - gotta go guys. Take care. Talk to you soon. [22:08] * Dr is now known as Dr_Love [22:08] [MasterZen] ok, gnight [22:08] [MasterZen] thanks for your time [22:08] [Beta] Ye s- Togas is quite OK. I agree. cya. [22:09] [Beta] Thank you. [22:09] * Beta has quit IRC (Quit: )

	14-07-2003 10:11									#5
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Draft proposal for pact:

quote: Glory of War and Vox Controli Information Trade Pact In the spirit of maintaining the strong relationship between the Glory of War (GoW) and Vox Controli (Vox), and determined to form a common front against threats to hegemony, our two nations agree to the following pact. 1 - Vox agrees to a sharing of information regarding city investigation to GoW. This will be done by means of a full screen capture of the city or cities in question. 2 - GoW will pay Vox's expenses in estabilishing embassies and investigating cities. On any given turn, GoW may request a quote on specific cities. Vox will reply with the quote and GoW shall send the amount needed to Vox as soon as it has the turn. Vox shall investigate said city/cities during it's own turn and send the captured images back to GoW via e-mail. Should the cost of investigation increase between the time of the quote and the turn, GoW shall pay the difference on the following turn. Should the cost drop, the difference shall be held as "credit" for a future investigation. 3 - Screen captures must be clear enough to see all defending units and city stats. 4 - In return, GoW shall gift a Wine luxury for a 40-turn period, decided upon by Vox. 5 - Furthermore GoW agrees to gift a technology to Vox. This technology may be any one that GoW currently has or will research in the future. GoW reserves the right to attach a no-trade clause to the trade. 6 - This agreement shall remain secret unless agreed otherwise by both parties. Moreover, Vox agrees not to disclose the nation who is target of GoW's military action until a formal declaration of war is in place. 7 - By terms of this agreement, information sharing by Vox may be done at GoW's request during any time during the duration of hostilities between GoW and any other Bobian civ. This treaty shall remain in place until hostilities cease although Vox reserves the right to request its free technology and free luxury at any time in the future. Hoping to forge a lasting and mutually-beneficial relationship, Signed. -Master Zen Consul of Foreign Affairs of The Glory of War.

Please comment so I can send it ASAP and hopefully get our first screenshots next turn.

	14-07-2003 10:57									#6
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If Vox knows RP is the target, then everyone knows.
I fear our Riders are marching into an awful trap.
I think we may want to consider taking out Bilbao first.
Our riders dont have to come crashing through jungle, where they will get hit first before they can attack.

If we take the city, we have a base to start operations.. it is is razed, we still get to use the RP road network.

I have to look at the save first.
But I have this sinking fealing in the bottom of my gut.


Back to the topic ....
I suggest we nominate the tech to be Chivalry. To be provided no later than x turns from the signing of this agreement.
Otherwise, they will get it from Lego or GS anyway, and we would of missed our chance.

x = well after the RP war is decided one way or the other.

	14-07-2003 11:19									#7
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I hope we can get a screenshot by 30 BC of Toledo. I know 10 Riders isn't particulary an invincible stack so we must keep casualties as low as possible.

I think the objective must be to take as many weak cities as possible and bypass the strongest ones. Intelligence here will be a do-or-die thing which is why I wanted this agreement signed.

Anyway, if all is well, I'll send the proposal tomorrow morning and hope to have an answer. I'll also tell ND about this (and edit the treaty to allow that)

	14-07-2003 11:20									#8
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btw, considering that Vox feels we kinda cheated them with the Engineering deal (and perhaps with military aid against GS) I think it would be fair to be nice to them this time and give them the lux and tech as they please. It really does no harm to us.

	14-07-2003 12:04									#9
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Just remember they are Lego's pets now. (The only team Vox considered helped them during the war. Albeit at a safe distance

Anything we give them, (intellegence/tech) will be shared with Lego.

	14-07-2003 12:34									#10
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That's why I explicity mentioned that we reserve the right to attach a no-trade clause to the tech we give them.

	14-07-2003 15:24									#11
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I was more concerned with the intellegence

	14-07-2003 19:05									#12
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Sounds good

So we need a quote for Toledo NOW (50bc)... I guess that we need to send Vox the $ this turn.

Remember, Vox goes after us AND RP in the turn order, so 50bc for vox is about 30bc for RP, and us.

I vote for delaying the turn because of this. I need to know how much $ (and a luxury?) to send to Vox for the screenie.

	14-07-2003 23:53									#13
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Sorry for not being able to connect earlier but anyways, a size 6 city can cost anything from ~70-90.

I say we send them 80 for now (and the lux)...

	15-07-2003 05:33									#14
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ok, so I'll send them 80 gold, accepted. Hopefully Master Zen or I will catch Beta in a chat tonight.

	15-07-2003 16:40									#15
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I was online the same time as Beta

Me

quote: Did you get the GoW request for a city investigation ?

Beta

quote: yup - we are asking to wait one turn - so we can close previously agreed-to deal with RP.

Me

quote: We cant wait ... has to be done this turn. Can I ask what the deal is that you cant investigate ?

Beta

quote: Trade for engineering. May i ask why it has to be done this turn?

Me

quote: We can go left or right We have two offers on the table It all depends on what we see this turn. We can not delay the decision any longer. They do not get notified when you do an investigation.. it will not hurt or disrupt your deal in any way. Panzer posted that he sent 80g preaccepted your way for the investigation.. so you should have enough cash. Regs

Me Again

quote: BTW .. How is your diplomatic relations with RP. I know you were pissed at us regarding the war... but how about RP ? GoW discussed that perhaps you would be more upset at RP than us...as we at least tried to get units across. But we never got around to ask. Regs

Beta

quote: Oh - we were more pissed at them - the weasels. Don't worry - when push comes to shove - we are behind you. We just can't do much right now. Other than the investigation - which I think will be an OK thing. .... Beta.

	15-07-2003 19:40									#16
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As long as RP doesn't declare war on us this turn, we can still set up an embassy and investigate ourselves, and get pics of both Pamplona and Toledo

	15-07-2003 19:52									#17
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But that's dependant on RP not declaring war... Vox can still investigate Toledo this turn, for the same amount and we can make an embassy before we declare war. This means that if RP declares war we are still guaranteed a shot of Toledo.

	15-07-2003 19:55									#18
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If Vox remains unwilling, GS may agree to it...

	16-07-2003 05:35									#19
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PM from Beta ... (MZ got a copy too)

quote: Hi MZ. We are on-side. And can and will do it this turn. However, two changes to the agreement are required. Under number 2, we want GS cities excluded. Sort of a point of honor with us - if you understand. This may be re-negotiated in the future. And under number 5, we want to agree to the tech. I'm sure you can appreciate our reasons for this - as the clause can currently be intepreted that you choose the tech - which may resuklt in us getting a tech of little value to us. We will be reasonable in this, you have our word. And we will respect the no-trade clause. If the changes are OK with you - simply send a quick note. We are awaiting the save. Regards - Beta. ps I am also sending a copy to Hot_Enamel to ensure your team gets this.

quote: Glory of War and Vox Controli Information Trade Pact In the spirit of maintaining the strong relationship between the Glory of War (GoW) and Vox Controli (Vox), and determined to form a common front against threats to hegemony, our two nations agree to the following pact. 1 - Vox agrees to a sharing of information regarding city investigation to GoW. This will be done by means of a full screen capture of the city or cities in question. 2 - GoW will pay Vox's expenses in estabilishing embassies and investigating cities. On any given turn, GoW may request a quote on specific cities, excluding any cities of Gathering Storm. Vox will reply with the quote and GoW shall send the amount needed to Vox as soon as it has the turn. Vox shall investigate said city/cities during it's own turn and send the captured images back to GoW via e-mail. Should the cost of investigation increase between the time of the quote and the turn, GoW shall pay the difference on the following turn. Should the cost drop, the difference shall be held as "credit" for a future investigation. 3 - Screen captures must be clear enough to see all defending units and city stats. 4 - In return, GoW shall gift a Wine luxury for a 40-turn period, decided upon by Vox. 5 - Furthermore GoW agrees to gift a technology to Vox. This technology may be any one that GoW currently has or will research in the future, and must be agreed-to by Vox. GoW reserves the right to attach a no-trade clause to the trade. 6 - This agreement shall remain secret unless agreed otherwise by both parties. Moreover, Vox agrees not to disclose the nation who is target of GoW's military action until a formal declaration of war is in place. 7 - By terms of this agreement, information sharing by Vox may be done at GoW's request during any time during the duration of hostilities between GoW and any other Bobian civ. This treaty shall remain in place until hostilities cease although Vox reserves the right to request its free technology and free luxury at any time in the future. Hoping to forge a lasting and mutually-beneficial relationship, Signed. -Master Zen Consul of Foreign Affairs of The Glory of War. - Beta Vox Controli

Those changes are minor ... so we should confirm the agreement with Beta ASAP IMO.

	16-07-2003 05:55									#20
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yes, definatly.