12-07-2003 20:51									#1
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Orders:

quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph 3450BC: - We discover Pottery. What to research next? I'd say Bronze Working - Camelot grows to size 3, builds Warrior (name?) and starts Settler - Laborers in Camelot on the wheat, the mined grassland and one unmined grassland (Camelot-1). Thanks Dave for the correction. - Warrior fortifies in Camelot. - Set science slider back to 100% - Worker moves 1

Actions taken:
-Set research to Bronze Working
-Changed Camelot production to Settler
-Changed Camelot laborers to Wheat, Mined Grass, and shield grass to the SW
-Moved Worker SW
-Fortified Warrior in Camelot
-Set Science slider to 100%, Bronze Working in 12 turns

Events:
-Complete Pottery
-Camelot's borders expanded
-Cake or Death scout SW, W of Camelot (inside our newly expanded borders)

Intelligence:
-Military Advisor says we're strong compared to Cake or Death
-See images below

World Map

Demographics

Histograph

	13-07-2003 00:22									#2
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And now, the fun REALLY begins.

Our most pressing matter is diplomacy. What to do about Izzardia?
1. We should set up an official contact. A friendly greeting of some sort. I guess, since technically speaking, I am the Prime Minister, I could do so. I just want to make sure no one else has already.
2. Ask them to remove the scout soon - it's already seen too much.
3. Try to figure out where they are - my guess is that the scout was following the coastline....

	13-07-2003 01:41									#3
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet 3650 to the food guys. We can see the borders of another team. We're not saying who just yet. "Où est la plume de ma tante?"

If this is referring to us, the Izzards must have seen our borders from the eastern mountains and sent the scout around in a circle. Or maybe the scout did follow the coast from the south. We definitely need to get more warriors out exploring in any case.


I see 3 potential sites for our second city:

West x2
+1 shielded grassland
Coastal (and maybe freshwater too)
Can share Camelot's wheat and 3 shielded grassland

Northwest x3
+1 wine
+1 shielded grassland
Can share Camelot's wheat and 1 shielded grassland

North x2
+2 wine
+1 shielded grassland
Can share Camelot's wheat and 1 shielded grassland

Edit: Added Vlad's comments

	13-07-2003 05:29									#4
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One other point: The body of water partially visible west of our exploring Warrior is likely to be freshwater. This would be an advantage for the settlement (4,4) of Camelot over the other two: fresh water and a port (...eventually).

	13-07-2003 06:26									#5
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Good point, Vlad. I believe we have the time to spare before having the wines becomes critical, and even in the unlikely event that turns out not to be freshwater, it'll be good to have a coastal city up and running.

	13-07-2003 06:59									#6
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Dejon, can you attach the save? I have a lot of questions about our empire and it would be easier to check.

	13-07-2003 11:05									#7
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Here you go, Dave.

Password is: Wanda

Also, I just noticed that redneldep has been gone for four days. I meant for him to do this, but I went ahead and send a PM to FrustratedPoet.

quote: Honorable FrustratedPoet: Greetings! I am Octavian X, Prime Minister of the Castle of Loimbard. We've recently made contact with your kind scouts in the area near Castle Camelot. We are happy to know Izzardia is our new neighbor. Our English comedy will one day bring peace and laughter to the world. I look forward to future diplomacy between our two great nations! ~Octavian X Prime Minister of the Castle of Loimbard

	13-07-2003 15:50									#8
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Sorry I was busy at home, I don't know how reliable I can be for the next couple of weeks as I can't guarantee easy internet acsess for the next three weeks so I may need a replacement

	13-07-2003 16:08									#9
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Took a quick peek at the save. It's fresh water:

	13-07-2003 22:20									#10
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Actually, the water at the city site is salt water.
Or maybe it's both?


I don't think coast makes a big difference, we won't be building harbors or wonders for a while. The thing I like about the 4,4 site is all the shields to complement our high-food capital.

	14-07-2003 05:09									#11
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Dave: I meant the water west of the city site, not south of it. Obviously the water south of it is saltwater. If a city has access to both freshwater and saltwater, it uses the freshwater for growth purposes.

Some demographic analysis:

--We aren't first in land area. Since it's impossible to have more than 2100 tiles with just one city at this stage in the game, it probably means someone popped a settler from a hut and has already founded a city with it.

Now, as to who it could be... Izzardia is the only expansionist tribe, so it's likely they're the ones who popped the settler. Could also be the Latinos, as they have the highest score, in spite of a size-1 capital.

--Also, someone must have linked up a lux resource. Evidence: we're second in Annual Income (dependent on luxes linked up) and Approval Rating (dependent on ratio of happy, content, and unhappy citizens). Who, I have no idea. Someone other than Tabemono or Al-Sahaf.

	14-07-2003 08:12									#12
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A message from FrustratedPoet:

quote: Hi there! It is pleasure to be situated so close to fine people such as yourselves. I hope that we can build a lasting friendship and that, as far as possible, nobody gets hit in the face with a large trout and falls into a canal. In regard to tech trading ... we already have Masonry and Alphabet, I'm afraid, so no deal can be done there. However, we have Ceremonial Burial to trade if you are interested.

	15-07-2003 01:55									#13
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quote: Originally posted by DaveMcW West x2 +1 shielded grassland Coastal (and maybe freshwater too) Can share Camelot's wheat and 3 shielded grassland

This would be my choice. What do our noble kniggggettts think?

	15-07-2003 05:27									#14
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Ralph: That's my first choice, as well.

	16-07-2003 05:55									#15
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I like 4,4 as well.

Dave, my thinking about coastal isn't so much for building harbors and wonders now or in the near future, but so that when the time comes to build them, we have an already established, thriving city ready to jump on them with both feet, rather than looking around and finding that our best coastal city is a size 2 that still needs a temple to get some culture going, as I've done too many times in SP .

	16-07-2003 17:17									#16
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Let us take 4,4 then.
This is a good place for our second city. As for a name why not just name it "City"

	16-07-2003 17:29									#17
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Actually, I'd prefer "Castle Anthrax" as a city name...

Last edited by Vlad Antlerkov on 16-07-2003 at 17:41