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Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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Everyone knows that the main basis for music is rhythm. It's drum base can make a mediocre creation great, and a great creation a mediocre one.

Most drum parts are sadly quite 'standard' to the point one would think a basic drum machine was used.

I wish to dedicate this thread to famous music pieces which have an exceptionally good drum part, which not only 'adds' to the music, but is an active part of it.

One group which usually integrates drum beat as the main element of the melody is Metallica, but I wouldn't want to dedicate a thread to them.



I wish to draw attention to Styx - Lady. It has an exceptional drum piece which gives the heart and soul to the music. It is important however to listen to the original recording from the late 70s, since the new version (circa 1995?) though somewhat better in quality, is very much lacking a good drum setup and performance.

conclusion: listen to the original recording of "lady" with a good set of speakers, and notice how unlike in most songs, where you hear 2, maybe 3 differet drums, you can hear a whole drum symphony.

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I don't know that I agree with your analysis, but before anyone else jumps in with it I'll say "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" by Iron Butterfly.

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the drums at the end of air's radio #1 are fantastic

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Check out "Toad" by Cream. Peter Baker has a 12.5 minute drum solo in that song.

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"Yoo doo right" by Can. Jaki Liebezeit's drums pin down the entire song, but halfway through he just lets rip with a solo. It's like an avalanche.

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I don't know that I agree with your analysis, but before anyone else jumps in with it I'll say "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" by Iron Butterfly.

Hey, what's up with your musical taste? Someone so politically incorrect, yet humming the same songs I do? Shame on you...

On drum parts: Ringo in I Don't Want To Spoil The Party

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Sometimes good drums just blow you away in terms of accuracy/incessancy/loudness/sensitivity, but I've found a special place in my heart for drum parts that work on a more understated level than that, where the drummer brings attention to himself/herself not through how exceptional a drummer he is but through how creatively he can use his instrument as a song-writing tool. To me, a truly successful drummer is one which, in addition to carrying a song rhythmically or adding an extra dimension to it also uses the drums as an entirely hook-based instrument, creating memorable fills, rhythms and bridges that compete on an equal basis for the listeners attention with the riffs and licks and choruses other instruments provide.

A very good example of someone who while never being an exceptionally expressive drummer nevertheless manages to out-hook the vast majority of riff-makers and melody-writers is Kinks drummer Mick Avory. Most notably his genius (combined, to be fair, with Ray Davies', who produced and artistically co-ordinated the thing) comes through on the inseparable unit that was The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society (1968). Entirely subdued, with no hard hits or complex, solo-like sections, it becomes a perfect, pop-making part in the complex of other instruments, never too loud or too quiet, and always doing something intensely interesting that, if you care to focus on it, makes you mime air-drumming in delight. If you don't focus on it it insiduously lodges itself into your memory popping up at the most unexpected times. The perfect drum part from the most perfect "normal" production of all time.

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Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Sometimes ...time.

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I am with Huey on this one. Ringo again, but this time with "Never Without You".

"And your song will play on without you, and this world won't forget about you...."

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I am with Huey on this one. Ringo again, but this time with "Never Without You".

"And your song will play on without you, and this world won't forget about you...."

I don't know that song, is it about John's murder?

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George's. Last Ringo's album. A five stars one.

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oh, btw, Slowhand (the real one) plays guitar in that song.

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George's. Last Ringo's album. A five stars one.

Ringo made a ***** star album?

I have his second album, the one all four Beatles play on, only not on the same songs...

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oh, btw, Slowhand (the real one) plays guitar in that song.

After Derek And The Dominoes I lost track of Clapton (ie I didn't like much of what he did) but I'm sure to check out Ringo's album. Thanks.

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If you're a true Beatles fan I bet you will enjoy it quite a lot This one and Brainwashed (George's) are simply gorgeous. To me both albums rank among the very best any ex-Beatle has ever done.

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Music is for wussies.

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Thanks Jay Bee. I will check them out. I must admit I never paid much attention to all of their solo albums after they split up. I liked Band On The Run, Imagine and Ringo's second album (the one after Sentimental Journey) but that's about it. They never found the magic they had when they were together

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And to leave this thread tonight: Backbeat (the movie about Stu Sutcliffe) is just now starting on Dutch tv...

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Of course they didn't But in addition to the albums you mention they also got reasonably close in "All Things Must Pass" (George), "Ram", "Flaming Pie" (Paul), "Double Fantasy", "Milk & Honey" (John), and "Goodnight Vienna" (Ringo). My humble opinion, of course

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I got to tell you, for my part, Ringo wasn't/isn't all that great.


And Clapton has played around so much it's hard to keep up.
That goes for his guitar playing, also.

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Sometimes good drums just blow you away in terms of accuracy/incessancy/loudness/sensitivity, but I've found a special place in my heart for drum parts that work on a more understated level than that, where the drummer brings attention to himself/herself not through how exceptional a drummer he is but through how creatively he can use his instrument as a song-writing tool. To me, a truly successful drummer is one which, in addition to carrying a song rhythmically or adding an extra dimension to it also uses the drums as an entirely hook-based instrument, creating memorable fills, rhythms and bridges that compete on an equal basis for the listeners attention with the riffs and licks and choruses other instruments provide.


That is very very well put

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I got to tell you, for my part, Ringo wasn't/isn't all that great.


Compared to Paicey or Cozy Powell of course he wasn't But he was/is fun, and that's what matters most of the time

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And Clapton has played around so much it's hard to keep up. That goes for his guitar playing, also.


That's so true.

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"Black Dog" from Led Zeppelin IV and almost anything by the Who when Keith Moon was still alive.

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I got to tell you, for my part, Ringo wasn't/isn't all that great.

You are wrong here. Ringo may not be the greatest drummer on earth but he just did what he had to do while playing in the Beatles. Without him the Beatles wouldn't be the best band ever.

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No, my opinion differs from yours.
Neither of us is "wrong" particularly.

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I got to tell you, for my part, Ringo wasn't/isn't all that great.

You are wrong here. Ringo may not be the greatest drummer on earth but he just did what he had to do while playing in the Beatles. Without him the Beatles wouldn't be the best band ever.


They aren't, so it's a moot point isn't it.

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led zeppelin

I do think you can include John Bonham of Led Zeppelin along with Metallica as bands that heavily incorporate drums and percussion into their music.

Tool is another good band. especially their last album- Lateralus.

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