14-07-2003 07:41									#31
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I can never figure the "realitic arms. No need: I mean, what would be the ikely use, to risk such an exposed part?

	14-07-2003 07:44									#32
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So they can double as heavy construction vehicles, maybe?

	14-07-2003 07:46									#33
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Make special engineering ones for that.

	14-07-2003 07:47									#34
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the future will be fought by remote control.

	14-07-2003 07:48									#35
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An "arm" fitted on a tank might increase the possibilities of aiming the weapon. If it moved quickly enough it could take out multiple light airborne targets like small UVs? You could try to blend the pros of both approaches.

As for the legs vs. threads, well, legs are a tad more vulnerable as a weak spot than threads. Threads can cover most terrain, though slowly, whereas legs are prone to get stuck in marshes, or crevices. A tank can still aim and turn its turret if its threads malfunction, but a lame mecha can't necessarily even stay standing and aim properly. It'd be pretty helpless. Maybe if it managed to knelt after its leg was shot off / malfunctioned it could stay static to take out targets. A four legged mecha might be more stable and balanced but would need more energy to run and it'd be a tank-like behemoth anyway.

quote: more something like the C&C gdi little ones with machine guns

The Wolverines in Tiberian Sun were closer to exoskeletons than mecha I'd say.

	14-07-2003 07:52									#36
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You could mount the weapon systems in a body that could rotate 360 degrees independently of the leg structures. As for mobility: I think it might be possible to equip mech with things to allow it to traverse soft terrians (like giant snow shoes), and with "legs" it will probably be more capable of crossing rocky, uneven, or forrested terrain than a tank. It would be slower in flat terrain.

I think mech would be usefull in araes where tanks are vulnerablke, such as rocky terrian, forrests, and urban areas. In the open, Armor would win.

	14-07-2003 08:49									#37
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how bout the mecha from "heavy Gear". Much smaller than mechwarrior universe mechs and closer to exoskeletons. Even in the heavy Gear universe they were much inferior to tanks though...

	14-07-2003 08:52									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed the future will be fought by remote control.

hi ,

true , its allready like that , small and huge robots , both with a "line" and with radio wave control are allready in use , .....

and then there are the countless planes and subs that are control true a human who sits in a nice office chair , on the other side of the world , .....

have a nice day

	14-07-2003 09:12									#39
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we still have ground troops.

the future war will not have ground troops that are human.

	14-07-2003 09:31									#40
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Ah, sorry the future belongs to aircraft and helicopters. Mechs might prove an interesting sidekick to tanks though.

Mobility is always a plus

	14-07-2003 09:45									#41
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Planes and helo's can;t hold groud, and are sitting ducks on base, plus airplanes can not hover the battlefield for long, and helos' are vulnerable to ground fire.

If this is were so, the future belongs to space assets 9like misslies on satelites, beam weapons, or so forth).

	14-07-2003 19:31									#42
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What Future?

	14-07-2003 19:48									#43
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There's lots research into walking vehicles for the military for use in mountainous and very rough terrain where other vehicles cant go. That being said, the idea of a walking fighting vehicle is not so far fetched (although its unlikely to have 2 legs most prototype vehicles that I've seen have 6).

	22-07-2003 04:45									#44
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we'll have antigrav by then

	22-07-2003 04:56									#45
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What is the basis for antigrav? There is nothing that suggests it is even possible.

	22-07-2003 06:34									#46
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quote: Originally posted by JCG MBTs for now...but probably a third (non-Mecha) alternative will pop up in the long term...

Yup..... They're called planes. They work real good.

	22-07-2003 06:53									#47
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker What is the basis for antigrav? There is nothing that suggests it is even possible.

and you call yourself skywalker


It is hard for me to speculate on this matter. For MBTs to be in contued use, they must get stronger and lighter armor, but its hard for me to imagine anything harder than they already have. I would also imagine that any of the various anti-tank devices that work well on tanks, could work REAL well on mechs... as i you would need is a hit on some of the servos or hydrolics to take it out, or so it owuld seem.

I see a distant future dominated by a combination of aerial and walking/rolling drones that are fully armed and very nimble. Think Terminator. There would be much fewer soldiers in harms way, and the drones would be immune to small arms fire. If massed produced, they could overwhelm the much less technilogically sophisticated enemies. They could easily navigate indoors as well as crosscountry. Their mobility, speed, and firepower will all be greatly enhanced by eliminating humans from the roll. They may still be needed for remote control operators or maybe the drones could be fully automated... i dont know, but in the distant future, who knows. Any one see "the Red Planet" with val kilmer? That robotic navigator AMEE is something like what im thinking of, but with guns.

The fear of Urban warfare would be a thing of the past. send in a division of droids. sure, a lot would be lost, but very few lives (you would still need human mechanics and support and stuff).

	22-07-2003 06:54									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Yup..... They're called planes. They work real good.

If you wanna win wars, you have to have an occupying force. planes cannot occupy. Thats why it is really, really, really hard to win wars without any ground forces that can hold ground.

	22-07-2003 07:31									#49
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in the not really distant future, as energy sources become more powerful and miniaturized, you can see the chemical propelled projectile go obsolete after centuries, in favor of the much more powerful electromegnetically propelled projectiles

	22-07-2003 08:29									#50
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in the more distant future, you'll see genetically enhanced warriors with vast mutant powers dueling it out on the battle field.

	22-07-2003 08:29									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed in the more distant future, you'll see genetically enhanced warriors with vast mutant powers dueling it out on the battle field.

was that poking fun of me?

	22-07-2003 08:31									#52
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Master Chief doesn't have mutant powers.

	22-07-2003 08:31									#53
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no, of course not. i was serious.

	22-07-2003 09:01									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Master Chief doesn't have mutant powers.

i agree. but unfortunately, master chief is not the way of the future, because 'gentically engineering humans is immoral'...

	22-07-2003 09:08									#55
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MOst likely, wars in the future will be minimal, given the widespread arsenals of deadly bio-engineered plagues and other assorted nasty doomsday weapons meant to keep actual fighting to a minimum.

	22-07-2003 09:19									#56
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I want Hover Infantry as in CtP2. Some kind of rail-gun bazooka or artillery would be cool too.

	22-07-2003 09:23									#57
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I want Star Destroyers

	22-07-2003 09:32									#58
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what was that quote form the military school comandant in the simpsons?

somethn to the effect of:

"After graduating here today, you will go off to fight the wars of the future, which will not be fought by men in the battle fields or high ocean seas, but by robots on really tall mountains, or perhaps outer space. And it will be your job to build and maintain those robots..."

	22-07-2003 09:53									#59
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these mech things... are the like the Goliaths in StarCraft? or the things in that show Exo-Squad?

if so, i don't see any practical benefit of them... maybe the exo-squad ones just because those ones could fly and all that but ground mechs... inefficient as i dont know what.