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Experts: Gambling on Rise in U.S. Teens
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By DAVID CRARY

NEW YORK - Whether with their friends at parties, at school or in solitude on the Internet, millions of American teens are taking up an ever-more-accessible national pastime — gambling.



Much of the action is small-time — underage purchases of lottery tickets, playing cards or dice games for spare change. But experts say the long-term stakes are high because gamblers who start young are the most likely to develop addiction problems.


"This is the first generation of kids growing up when gambling is legal and available virtually nationwide," said George Meldrum of the Delaware Council on Gambling Problems. "Casinos, racetracks — they take it for granted."


Nationwide statistics on youth gambling are scarce, but regional surveys suggest more than 30 percent of all high school students gamble periodically.


Middle-schoolers are following suit, as evidenced by the uncovering of a sports-betting ring at a Glenview, Ill., middle school last year. In Delaware, Meldrum's agency recently conducted one of the largest-ever surveys of student gambling; nearly one-third of 6,753 participating eighth-graders said they had gambled in 2002.


Those who gambled were much more likely than other students to smoke, drink alcohol, use illegal drugs and commit petty crimes, the survey found.


Such trends are the focus of research at the International Center for Youth Gambling Problems, based at McGill University in Montreal. The center's co-director, Jeffrey Dervensky, said studies indicate that compulsive gambling problems afflict up to 8 percent of young gamblers, compared with up to 3 percent of adult gamblers.


Adult gambling addicts may seek help when they realize their job or marriage is imperiled, but young people are less likely to do so, Dervensky said.


"These kids still live at home, and nobody's dragging them in, saying, 'If you don't go for help, I'm leaving you,'" Dervensky said. "These kids steal money, usually from their family. If you get caught, your parents are not going to turn you in."


Keith Whyte, executive director of the National Council on Problem Gambling, said more than 80 percent of American adults now gamble at least occasionally — a possible reason for what he sees as a worrisome tolerance of youth gambling.


"We've had a number of parents say, 'Thank God, it's just gambling,'" Whyte said.


Sometimes, a parent's passion for gambling is passed on to an adolescent. That happened in the case of Sarah, now a 31-year-old executive in New York City who accompanied her parents to Atlantic City casinos as a teenager, became hooked, and now attends regular sessions of Gamblers Anonymous to shake an addiction that plunged her into a six-figure debt.


"From the first time I actually sat down at a blackjack table and played, when I was 18 or 19, it was pretty obvious I wasn't normal," said Sarah, who asked that her last name be withheld. "I wouldn't want to get up even to go to the bathroom. I was a little crazy. It was all I wanted to do."


Sarah predicted that gambling will spread among young people because of the omnipresence of betting options and the availability of credit cards.


While most casinos try to keep underage gamblers off their premises, enforcement is a challenge. Ed Looney of the New Jersey Council on Problem Gambling said Atlantic City's casinos evict about 34,000 young people annually.


Looney and his colleagues visit dozens of New Jersey schools each year, discussing compulsive gambling and learning about the latest trends. A current fad at inner-city schools is see-low, a dice game played for money even by preteens, Looney said.


Looney said betting on sports is epidemic at colleges, and he estimated that 40 percent of New Jersey adolescents play the lottery, which is meant to be off-limits to anyone under 18.





Others complain that enforcement in many states is lax, and not enough public money is spent to help young gambling addicts.

"You see lottery ticket vending machines which say, 'Don't use if you're not 18' but who's patrolling them?" said Whyte of the National Council on Problem Gambling.

The recent survey in Delaware found that 9 percent of eighth-graders had gambled on Internet sites offering electronic forms of slot machines and card games. Many experts believe this type of gambling will become increasingly tempting to young people.

"The Internet provides the holy trinity of risk factors — immediate access, anonymity and, with use of a credit card, the ability to gamble with money you don't really have," Whyte said.

McGill's Dervensky is worried by Internet gambling sites that incorporate video-game technology.

"They give you an illusion of control, a sense that the more you play, the better you get," he said. "It's training a whole new generation of kids. Once they get their credit cards, they're off and running."

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Interesting article. I think it makes a good point as to the addictiveness of gambling. Some friends and I from work used to have a regular poker night, and sometimes the pot got up to $200+ - fun stuff, but when combined with alcohol, dangerous

But the question is, should gambling be illegal? Regardless of problems that abuse may cause to individuals, should the government be able to tell people they can't gamble?

I'd obviously say no - goes without saying. But what do you guys think?

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I don't think consensual "crimes" should be illegal, but I'm mighty tempted to make an exception with gambling. Invariably, gamling is a drain on a community. With the exception of places like Reno, Atlantic City, and Las Vegas, gambling sucks all the extra money out of a community and tends to send into poverty. Indian res casinos are another exception, since they are owned by the community, but they suck the wealth out of the area around the res. That money is not reinvested in the community, but end up leaving.

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Got spare money?

Among guys, there is almost nothing that compares to the the sublime pleasure of poker night with beer, talk and cigars .

I played a good amount of poker my Freshman year (Texas Hold'um), but that was combined with socializing and beer. I managed to control myself, and never bet more than I was willing to lose. The rich kids, however ended up going 100s into debt to eachother. Most of the money, however, went back into eachother's pockets in the form of favors.

All I can say is never bet more than you're willing to lose.

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I see nothing wrong with gambling. If people want to use their money like that, then I don't see any problem with it.

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Like pretty much any activity, gambling can be abused by some. But that is NO REASON to stop regular people from enjoying it.

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Gambling is an infringement of Lockean natural rights, and therefore, immoral. Dice have the intrinsic right to not be rolled if they choose not too.

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I am reminded of colonial America..........King George ( I think) said a vice is not a vice if it is a cash cow or something to that effect..............& before someone mentions illegal drug use as a vice, the illegal use of said drugs is still a cash cow for the following lobbys...law enforcement, prison, rehab , drug dealers.....etc etc

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when I played poker with people, we used coin money. Hence, our bets never exceeded a few bucks. Enough to make it meaningful in some way, but not enough to break somebody.

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No... Gambling should be legal... and taxed... in order to fund addiction programs to help those that get addicted to gambling. I would also like to see awareness programs to help discourage gambling among kids.

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when I played poker with people, we used coin money. Hence, our bets never exceeded a few bucks. Enough to make it meaningful in some way, but not enough to break somebody.


My best friend & I used to play poker at a co-worker's house with coin money . Whenever my friend or I started to get ahead of the pack, the co-workers nice looking sisters would show up & clean us out

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Absolutely not. The government should not be telling consensual adults what they can't do with each other.

*looks at Che's and monkspider's posts*

You know, sometimes lefties like to pretend they are champions of freedom because they don't want any laws regarding sex. It's nice to see that illusion shattered once in awhile.

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good point shi... there are people in all facets of the political spectrums that pretend they are champions of freedom. I'm reminded of the Gore campaign to legalize censorship during the whole debacle over warning labels on music. I also recall Lieberman denouncing Marilyn Manson over the Columbine shootings. As I've always maintained.... there are morons and evil people everywhere.

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Shi- Come on, I was kidding dude. I thought it was obvious. I was just trying to do my best David Floyd.

I am as libertarian as they get.

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good point shi... there are people in all facets of the political spectrums that pretend they are champions of freedom. I'm reminded of the Gore campaign to legalize censorship during the whole debacle over warning labels on music. I also recall Lieberman denouncing Marilyn Manson over the Columbine shootings. As I've always maintained.... there are morons and evil people everywhere.



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It's fortunate that I am addicted to games instead of gambling

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No... Gambling should be legal... and taxed... in order to fund addiction programs to help those that get addicted to gambling. I would also like to see awareness programs to help discourage gambling among kids.


You want to tax individual poker nights and such, or you want to tax casinos and casino winnings?

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Well here gambling is legal. Most restaurants have blackjack tables or even roulette. ALmost every single grocery store has some kind of machine, usually poker or simular. I don't know, personally I'm so used to it, and we are, that it's not an issue here. Plus, some of the money goes to help unfortunate, so it's for good cause! .

I don't think gambling should be illegal, I think it should be legal.

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Gambling should be legal. But financial responsibility should be promoted on that same note....

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I see gambling in the same way as alcohol and drugs. It's here to stay regardless of legal status, thus outlawing gambling only helps gangs and the mafia.

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Gambling is such a stupid idea. Especially organised Casinos. People come in, drop their money and run off again. It's rigged you fools!

But yeah, it should be legal. It's dangerous, but then again so is booze, free credit etc. It's something the state shouldn't interfere in.

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There is a fine line in the saying "a fool and his money are soon departed"

I'm not a con artist or anything. But it's one of the crimes that get the least sympathy from me. Although I do feel bad about about the old peole and such. But if you think about it, they should be the wisest to spot these con artists. They've been around.

A casino isn't much better than a con artist. But it at least gives you the thrill of winning.

A recent study done in England and profiled on tv here in the U.S. (I can't remember- it may have been dateline NBC), showed that money can make people happy- if they win it. They've found that people who won large lotteries were happy even 1 year later. People love winning money, it makes them much more happier than earning it for some reason. Can't explain that one. As people who earn money and become rich can be just as unhappy as poor people. There is something about winning money that makes the brain feel good.

So in that regards, you could say gambling is a pleasurable activity, and should not be restricted.

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Chegitz, when money is "sucked" away because of gambling, where does it go?

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I don't think consensual "crimes" should be illegal, but I'm mighty tempted to make an exception with gambling. Invariably, gamling is a drain on a community. With the exception of places like Reno, Atlantic City, and Las Vegas, gambling sucks all the extra money out of a community and tends to send into poverty. Indian res casinos are another exception, since they are owned by the community, but they suck the wealth out of the area around the res. That money is not reinvested in the community, but end up leaving.


And drugs don't do the same thing, in addition to being deadly?

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Poker Night's a blast (and certainly has never harmed any of us, except for the time that I won thirty bucks on a hand, after which I had to be careful not to win much more or else it might have been hazardous to my health), but then again it doesn't make much difference whether gambling's legal or illegal when it comes to Poker Night. And when gambling in a casino (a good one that you can get lost in, not the two-bit kind), if you spend awhile on the penny slots and snag yourself a nice waitress, then you can get pretty smashed for only a buck or two. That's how you beat the house.

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And drugs don't do the same thing, in addition to being deadly?


Drugs are deadlier when they are illegal just like alcohol was during prohibition, but I'd say drugs aren't actually deadly since they are inanimate. Cars aren't deadly either, just the loose nuts behind the wheel.

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