15-07-2003 05:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Can you explain to us why Sambo is offensive without resorting to an internet search?

spoiler(highlight to read): NO

	15-07-2003 05:01									#32
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In response to them changing it. I couldn't care less what they do. Maybe they will replace it with a nude picture of vanessa williams or maybe tyra banks. Surely that wouldn't offend anyone.

	15-07-2003 05:01									#33
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My reply is at the bottom of the first page.

	15-07-2003 05:05									#34
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You should talk to Ming about the advertising game, Sprayber.
I'd say you're a natural.

	15-07-2003 05:07									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber In response to them changing it. I couldn't care less what they do. Maybe they will replace it with a nude picture of vanessa williams or maybe tyra banks. Surely that wouldn't offend anyone.

The only reason I watched "Elmo in Grouchland" 37 times with my daughter.


ACK!

	15-07-2003 05:10									#36
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Caligastia's "Our Beloved Moderators" post is offensive and stereotypical to the moderators. It must be removed immediately.



EDIT: Wait...on second thought...that joke didn't pan out as funny as I thought it would. Meh...down with political correct!

	15-07-2003 05:11									#37
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You should talk to Ming about the advertising game, Sprayber. I'd say you're a natural.

I don't think people at the FCC would like my commericals.

	15-07-2003 05:12									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski The only reason I watched "Elmo in Grouchland" 37 times with my daughter. ACK!

	15-07-2003 05:12									#39
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Fuk the people at FCC.

	15-07-2003 05:13									#40
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(shows picture of scarcely clothed babes)

FCC, take that!

	15-07-2003 05:15									#41
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Just wait. Munchkin Land is next.

	15-07-2003 05:28									#42
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Zylka:

Damn people... takin' away the Aunt?

	15-07-2003 05:50									#43
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Stupid freaks.

	15-07-2003 05:53									#44
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun IIRC, Sambo was a simple name given to some slaves by slave owners.

That's one I haven't heard. The only connotation I have heard links the name to the story "Little Black Sambo", which was about an Indian boy and some tigers. The story was published in numerous editions around the world. Some of those editions published in the U.S. used drawings that made Sambo into an African boy (Tigers in Africa? Shhh!). Some of these drawing were pretty offensive by today's standards, and hence the controversey over "Little Black Sambo" in the U.S. AFAIK.

Btw, the restaurant chain Sambo's which had over a thousand stores when I was a kid was named after the two founders, Sam and Bo. They played up the "Little Black Sambo" connotation in their marketing, though they used the original Indian Sambo in their depictions. Nevertheless, they faced a lot of criticism about their name and marketing.

	15-07-2003 06:07									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander That's one I haven't heard. The only connotation I have heard links the name to the story "Little Black Sambo", which was about an Indian boy and some tigers. The story was published in numerous editions around the world. Some of those editions published in the U.S. used drawings that made Sambo into an African boy (Tigers in Africa? Shhh!). Some of these drawing were pretty offensive by today's standards, and hence the controversey over "Little Black Sambo" in the U.S. AFAIK. Btw, the restaurant chain Sambo's which had over a thousand stores when I was a kid was named after the two founders, Sam and Bo. They played up the "Little Black Sambo" connotation in their marketing, though they used the original Indian Sambo in their depictions. Nevertheless, they faced a lot of criticism about their name and marketing.

Yes -- even if the two people's names were Sam and Bo, they should not have played up the "Little Black Sambo" in their marketing.

	15-07-2003 06:48									#46
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Sambo is a corruption of the Spanish word zambo, which is a person of mixed Indian and Black ancestry. In the U.S. Sambo came to be one of the five classic black charicatures: others being Mammy, Jezibel, the pickinnny, and a fifth whose name escapes me. Sambo was the character with googly eyes and was a buffoon.

	15-07-2003 07:15									#47
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i like log cabin's syrup better than aunt jamima's.

	15-07-2003 07:17									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed i like log cabin's syrup better than aunt jamima's.

So you're sexist because you don't like Aunt Jamima's syrup?

PIG

	15-07-2003 07:24									#49
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All of these logos go through changes. Betty Crocker doesn't look the same as fifty years ago. Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima have both changed several times. This is nothing new, except for the name change.

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log cabin isn't as sweet.

	15-07-2003 07:28									#51
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara All of these logos go through changes. Betty Crocker doesn't look the same as fifty years ago. Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima have both changed several times. This is nothing new, except for the name change.

I guess my question is, was Sambo a construction from the Little Black Sambo stories, or was he an older archetype that spawned the character in the book?

Was the cream of wheat dude controversial as well? I don't remember whether or not he was. I always liked him, and cream of wheat as well.

	15-07-2003 07:34									#52
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sooner or later, a quaker will be offended by that picture of a ruddy and chubby old white man on the cover.

	15-07-2003 07:42									#53
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Some people think the Cream of Wheat dude is controversial, but I can't see how. Historically it probably has its roots in Black servitude, but the name isn't splayed all over. Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben are part of the racist residue of the earlier part of our century, as elderly Black were often patronizingly refered to as Aunt and Uncle by whites. Cream of Wheat guys, as far as I know, doesn't have a name. It's probably a question for the Straight Dope boards.

The Sambo character, IIRC, derives from the minstral shows. IIRC, Sambo is the character if a Black man trying to imitate a high society white person. So he will often have a broken stove pipe hat, an oversized tux, clown shoes, etc. He's a buffoon and easily scared by silly things. Sambo doesn't have to be all these things. The Black chauffer in the Charlie Chan movies was a sambo, as was Jack Bennie's butler, Rochester (though he had very few traights of the classic Sambo).

Little Black Sambo was just a name for a pickeninny character.

	15-07-2003 07:46									#54
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WOW

It's like a piece of Americana...

	15-07-2003 07:53									#55
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Zylka - you live in Canada. What you know about racism couldn't fill a thimble.

	15-07-2003 07:56									#56
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Oh no, we have brown natives here

	15-07-2003 08:13									#57
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Mrs. Butterworth is black too right?

	15-07-2003 08:24									#58
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Next on the list will be Uncle Tom -- I MEAN -- Uncle Ben's Brown rice.

Seriously, people need to chill out I mean come on this is a classic brand.

	15-07-2003 08:25									#59
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For some ungodly reason, conservatives get offended that people find some things legitimately offensive.

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Are we going to lose Ben also?