15-07-2003 06:30									#31
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Not much, even with those carriers

	15-07-2003 06:45									#32
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Sure it was.

Argueing that an island nation with desires to project power globally doesn't need a strong navy constitutes serious in your opinion?

	15-07-2003 07:18									#33
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Hear that?

That's me saying "I don't care about this."

	15-07-2003 07:34									#34
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I don't care about this either. I only made my previous post because David told me too.

	15-07-2003 09:38									#35
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And still not a single Briton in sight!

Damn the British and that democracy thingy they have! How dare they not chose to spend on the things some Americans think they need! For shame!

	15-07-2003 09:43									#36
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quote: Originally posted by GePap And still not a single Briton in sight! Damn the British and that democracy thingy they have! How dare they not chose to spend on the things some Americans think they need! For shame!

I'm glad we're on the same page here.

	15-07-2003 09:44									#37
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So what should the Brist do with the money they saved themselves?

	15-07-2003 09:48									#38
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buy more 'Phibs.

	15-07-2003 11:01									#39
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DD,

quote: Argueing that an island nation with desires to project power globally doesn't need a strong navy constitutes serious in your opinion?

Why would Britain need to project power? Again, there is no remaining conventional military threat to a nation such as Great Britain.

GePap,

quote: So what should the Brist do with the money they saved themselves?

Cut taxes.

	15-07-2003 11:03									#40
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quote: Originally posted by GePap So what should the Brist do with the money they saved themselves?

Get a real NHS.

	15-07-2003 11:08									#41
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Or, scrap NHS entirely and...you guessed it...cut taxes!

	15-07-2003 11:11									#42
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*kicks DF to jump needle out of scratch*

	15-07-2003 11:39									#44
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yes well we've been pouring ever more money into the NHS (aka bottomless pit) for years, with a negligable effect, except of course on the tax burden...but that's another thread.

bae has a long history of going overbudget on projects, but in this instance the government is largely to blame for forcing them to build the carriers to thales' specs. i actually hope the government do stump up the money for this because it will ensure that britain's navy continues to be world class.

	15-07-2003 11:48									#45
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I'd be interested to know why you want a "world class" navy - ie, how is this helping you?

	15-07-2003 11:54									#46
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it allows us to project force effectively.

	15-07-2003 12:01									#47
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Sure, but that begs the question of why you, or anyone else, needs to project force in a time where there are no conventional military threats.

	15-07-2003 12:23									#48
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Good points, DF.

	15-07-2003 14:03									#49
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What the UK really needs is an unmanned hypersonic bomber capable of striking a target anywhere in the world within a couple of hours. Then the navy won't need large carriers, only small ones for ASW and fleet air defence.

	15-07-2003 14:36									#50
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Any self-respecting country should be able to manufacture war machines like that (clicks fingers). We should have given the job to the French company; they have a much better track record. If we're so desperate about saving British jobs, then BAE should be nationalised and the top level of management thrown out. They don't have any real competition, so there's no point keeping them as a private company.

	15-07-2003 14:39									#51
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Britain simply doesn't have the money to build and maintain a half-decent navy by itself, which is why we should be looking more towards forming a European military force. The combined resources of Europe would be more than capable of paying for this sort of stuff.

	15-07-2003 14:46									#52
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One Flag, One Fleet, One Empire!

*grrrrggggggul*

	15-07-2003 15:45									#53
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"Sure, but that begs the question of why you, or anyone else, needs to project force in a time where there are no conventional military threats."

In case the Argies want to have another shot at the Falklands...

	15-07-2003 16:21									#54
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that would be the Malvinas thank you very much.

	15-07-2003 18:09									#55
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Sure, but that begs the question of why you, or anyone else, needs to project force in a time where there are no conventional military threats.

90% of the sorties flown over Afghanistan (and a good chunk of the ones over Iraq) were based from Carriers...and Afghanistan is 500 mi inland.

Now, THAT's power projection.