16-07-2003 07:00									#1
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Why did they add Carthage to PTW? Carthage was a Phoenician colony. It was only one city. And it wasn't nearly as great as the Phoenicians were. They should've made the Phoenicians as the civ and Carthage as one of the cities.

	16-07-2003 07:02									#2
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Civ II had Carthage, so I guess its "tradition".

	16-07-2003 07:04									#3
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BTW, Phoenecia itself was a colony -- of the Canaanites, until they got wiped by the Israelites. Phoenecia was the largest surviving colony.

	16-07-2003 07:11									#4
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besides cathago outstripped Phoenicia in both size and power by 250 BC when they begain to clash with Rome. By this time Carthage had colonies in Sicily and Spain, a challange to Roman power. In addition the Carthagenian Empire comprised most of what is modern day Lybia.

	16-07-2003 07:29									#5
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One reason : Hannibal. Most people have at least heard of him. That is more than you can say about all lot of the others.

	16-07-2003 13:21									#6
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Yeah, but most have heard of him as either a psychotic psycologist, or the cigar-chomping leader of The A-Team.

	16-07-2003 13:43									#7
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Yeah, but most have heard of him as either a psychotic psycologist, or the cigar-chomping leader of The A-Team.

I pity the fool!

Could Mr. T be Carthage's GL?

	16-07-2003 14:57									#8
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Hmmm...no.

	16-07-2003 15:41									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Could Mr. T be Carthage's GL?

He is their military advisor.

	16-07-2003 20:08									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien He is their military advisor.

And that crazy guy is the science advicor and Face is the Foreign minister.

	16-07-2003 20:34									#11
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Carthage fought with Rome and had War Elephants and Spain and stuff.

'Nuff said.

	17-07-2003 06:16									#12
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Carthage was the only civ not classified by the west as barbarians to actually give rome a challenge

	17-07-2003 06:26									#13
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quote: Originally posted by nuther And that crazy guy is the science advicor and Face is the Foreign minister.

crazy guy = Murdock...and he flew planes if I remember

What a serious flashback this A-team memory lane is...

	17-07-2003 06:40									#14
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Carthage was a political power unto itself. Most civilizations were originally colonies of earlier civilizations.

I'd mention the United States, except that I remember the conflicts over whether America should be in the game.

	17-07-2003 06:55									#15
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Yeah, that's true, but at least in most cases the colonies in question had been in place a few thousand years. We've only been on this continent for the past 400.

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Yeah, that's true, but at least in most cases the colonies in question had been in place a few thousand years. We've only been on this continent for the past 400.

But who's accomplished so much.

	17-07-2003 07:41									#17
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Carthage was a powerful nation that had cities in Spain, Africa, and other places (This was the time of city-states, so Carthage and its colonies were as much a civilization as Greece)