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The A-Team
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Warren Michigan
Jan 2001
time: 05:13
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33-3? Well if you are looking for proof of cheating, this is evidence enough. Playing normally, it is impossible to not get an unwinnable start in this game. It is impossible not to get screwed by huts. He has played enough games verse good quality opponenets that he should have lost alot more games just due to luck and luck alone.
Obviously, there is something that he is doing (nothing to do with skill) that is allowing him to over come the hiddous luck which all true civers know decides games verse quality opponenets about a third of the time. This is an undeniable fact of civ life.
Look at eyes, he loves to brag about his big winning streaks. We found out later that indeed he was altering the internal programming of the game giving him a significant edge. Hidden Horror( veijo verde and poss. Kuja) was mapping boards. The thing they all have in common is simple. There winning % is statistically impossible.
For everyone that has been a victem of kujas questionable ethics and has lost a game to him or several, go back look at saves. Post here if you saw anything wrong. Tell us how he beat you. Why he won, dig deep, tell us if he got unduely lucky with huts. Did he take your capital? Did he time and time again intercept your units? Did he always seem to have perfect citys built? Were there large splotches of blackness(undiscovered terrign) in which there was no huts or special resources?(a clear indication of "mapping") There is other tell tale signs of cheating. Find them, if they exist. And to Kuja, defend your record. If you are truely the best every tell us how, give some of your wisdom to us the truely ignorant and needy.
Lets get to the bottom of this and i think we will find there is something rotten in Denmark.
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EvilProphet
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"Look at eyes, he loves to brag about his big winning streaks. We found out later that indeed he was altering the internal programming of the game giving him a significant edge."
Funny thing, I keep asking this one question and you won't answer it. You hosted at least 2 league games and lost them both. That means the riot factor didn't even come into play. So then why then did you lose? And as you say you're 50-50 with me in games (which you're not) then how could you win half your games if I'm a proven cheater? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense which is probably why you won't answer the question.
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Bergman
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Sweden
May 1999
time: 05:13
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I dont think a player should prove him self right just because he wins alot. Hes innocent until someone here proves otherwise!! He should have to prove anything... Get some goddamn evidence so this discussion can be closed!!!! but if u fail to get any evidence then stop this ****ing ****.
Well i really dont care, i just want what Frank said earlier, that we should talk about the game etc etc instead of insulting,attacking, accusing other players for diffrent things....
U might be right about him cheating, but plz give us some evidence!
Heh this all started almost 2 years ago with a guy called EyesOfNight...
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EvilProphet
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4478 2001-03-22 20:26:01 civ2 Kuja* A-Team
4456 2001-03-20 20:35:28 civ2 Kuja DrFell Esmailian
4433 2001-03-19 10:50:16 civ2 Kuja jes
4428 2001-03-18 23:18:13 civ2 Kuja* Kaak
4427 2001-03-18 22:59:34 civ2 Kuja* Kaak
4425 2001-03-18 21:54:13 civ2 Kuja* General Maximus*
4418 2001-03-18 16:20:04 civ2 Kuja* Kaak*
4403 2001-03-17 21:07:01 civ2 Kuja asteiozos
4338 2001-03-14 06:33:15 civ2 Kuja Booze Master Hueristic
4285 2001-03-11 15:47:56 civ2 Kuja* Booze Master Hueristic
4258 2001-03-11 00:04:19 civ2 Kuja Booze Master Anvil
4237 2001-03-09 18:27:19 civ2 Kuja GalactusLives
4234 2001-03-09 16:54:26 civ2 Kuja* Caveat Emptor
4181 2001-03-04 11:10:34 civ2 Kuja Anvil
4177 2001-03-03 22:39:19 civ2 Kuja TravisJervey
4175 2001-03-03 21:55:58 civ2 Kuja warriorsoflight* hawkhunter Methamphetamine MartinMS600
4174 2001-03-03 21:55:30 civ2 Kuja Methamphetamine
4166 2001-03-02 22:55:42 civ2 Kuja warriorsoflight*
4165 2001-03-02 22:38:29 civ2 Kuja fugazi4626
4161 2001-03-02 19:47:47 civ2 Kuja Phagocitus
4152 2001-03-02 10:00:03 civ2 givirus* weird god A-Team Zylka pinball theburg Kuja General Maximus
4139 2001-03-01 17:19:47 civ2 Kuja Epyx
4136 2001-03-01 16:13:41 civ2 Kuja Thunder
4135 2001-03-01 15:28:56 civ2 Kuja Thunder
4050 2001-02-24 01:03:36 civ2 Kuja Samson
3972 2001-02-17 21:31:44 civ2 Kuja SimonRobinson*
3970 2001-02-17 18:31:22 civ2 Kuja MrBigDogPete
3966 2001-02-17 14:05:52 civ2 Samson Kuja*
3965 2001-02-17 13:33:55 civ2 Pauldamann* Kuja*
3956 2001-02-16 17:29:33 civ2 Kaak Kuja*
3942 2001-02-15 21:40:40 civ2 Kuja phatman
3929 2001-02-14 15:27:21 civ2 Kuja theburg
3887 2001-02-11 11:14:53 civ2 Kuja UpInFlames* theburg
3877 2001-02-10 22:09:09 civ2 Kuja Samson*
3870 2001-02-10 12:01:50 civ2 Kuja theburg
3866 2001-02-09 23:27:40 civ2 Kuja Moker Guy* Wise Soun
3850 2001-02-07 19:58:15 civ2 Kaak Kuja*
3847 2001-02-07 16:17:15 civ2 Kuja Kaak
3838 2001-02-06 17:13:49 civ2 Kuja UpInFlames*
3816 2001-02-04 13:06:26 civ2 Kuja goodyhut KingMaximus
3768 2001-01-27 17:03:47 civ2 Kuja* jhorsburgh
3767 2001-01-27 14:26:01 civ2 Kuja jhorsburgh
3748 2001-01-25 09:50:55 civ2 Kuja theburg
Lets go down the long list of players. The burg...why is he even in the top 10? Seriously. Jamie, not a bad player, but I wouldn't call him a good quality opponent. goodyhut sucks, kingMaximus I'm guessing was a newbie. Moker sucks, wise soun is a newbie too. Samson sucks too when he's not cheating, trust me, I've played him over the past couple of years. Phatman sucks too, he's right up there with burg. LOL How'd you lose to Pauldamann? Samson beats kuja. Epyx, Thunder, SimonRobinson, Mrbigdogpete, you can't get much worse players than that. Methamphetamine, warriorsoflight, fugazi, phagoticious; again, players well below the 1000 points range. Jes, generalMaximus, Asteiozos; All 3 of them suck. Even bergman beat jes and he hasn't played in over a year. Boozemaster and Hueristic, never even heard of them. DrFell and Esmailian, they both suck. I see 1 good player that he's beaten on a consistent basis and that's kaak. And of course kaak you didn't start losing until you started using random maps which is what I attribute to alot of your losses recently. And then he beat A-Team who is a legend only in his own mind, which is really why this thread got started. So when you get right down to it Kuja has beaten ALOT of nobodies and probably one good player. Anyone can go out and beat up some newbies. Plus take a look at some of those multiplayer games. If you come in first every time in a multiplayer game each player you beat in that game counts as 1 win. I count 18 wins from multiplayer games against a bunch of newbies. Where is the great awe and amazement in that? Come on, can't you guys get something better?
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EvilProphet
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"a-team, jes, theburg, phatman and jamie is almost impossible without cheating."
Those are good players? HAHAHHA!! That just goes to show how much you suck. It's quite pathetic really, it almost makes me sad to see how much the level of competition has dropped.
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EvilProphet
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I think what it really comes down to is a certain someone is mad that he can no longer duck every challenge that comes his way and hog all of his points because he knows he shouldn't be number 1 in the first place. Want to be number 1 again? Why don't you play him?
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DrFell
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I wouldn't say I suck... In out game I started on a virtually resourceless peninsula, whereas Kuja started next to a river, got a chariot out of his first hut, etc.
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jes
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Hamburg, Germany
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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i dont know if its impossible;
i analysed the game against kuja, i couldnt detect any cheating.
we have a 2nd game, and this hes goin to lose.
thats all.
jes
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markusf
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kuja can't play worth a damn against a rep strat.
The people he beat all use monarchy, and generally aren't very good players.
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EvilProphet
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Exactly. There's only one good player on there, kaak. I think what this really illustrates is just how far the competition has sunk. There is none.
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Kuja
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in your mouth
Feb 2001
time: 05:13
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evilprophet hit the nail right on the head.. most of my wins have come against less experienced players. and figuring out how i play isn't very hard, i do same tech path etc. every game... horseback, ceremonial, alpha, code, monarchy. after that depends usually, if i get hanging gardens i'll usually go republic, if not, i get feudalism and then go to philosophy. kaak has told me there is something wrong with my tech path, but i like it. and yes, i have had very bad starts, and those games i lost. but if you understand how special resources are usually clumped in 4's, then it's not that hard to find suitable city locations if you get screwed on land early.
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The A-Team
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Warren Michigan
Jan 2001
time: 05:13
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NOTE: What does Kuja owe you for such a ringing endorsement Eyes? Is he sucking your **** to get you to say something good about him? You have nothing good to say about anybody else but yourself. Wo, theres a possibility, eyes=kuja? Who else could eyes talk good about. Why would he unselfishly fiendesly defend someone else? Only to protect himself and his record to regain some lost respect in the civ world? Would you put anything past such an ego-manaic? I , for 1, would not.
Bergman.. the point of this topic is simple. If someone is cheating then everyone who plays him is wasting there time....or.. he is so good that in the interest of fairness to educate the poor masses of this stunning revelation of tactical and strategic genius at work.
Kuja, I was stunned by your genius reply and am awsomely impressed by such an impressive strategy as posted above. Hmmm? horseback riding, cer, alpha code and monarchy? WOW!!!! I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT ONE, thanks!
And DAMN! Your right, hanging gardens does help with Republic! I for one, think Ill try it! Oh please all mighty Kuja, give us some more pointers even though we are unworthy of such knowledge!
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The A-Team
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Warren Michigan
Jan 2001
time: 05:13
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Of course you dont waste time defending your citys. Why would you? Nothing proves the point more then someone who does not protect there citys. If I used a second computer I would not have to protect my citys either. Just watch the saves and I know where the threat is coming from.Then send sufficent forces there to take out the threat. You cant know that at any time I could just land on your coastline, every one knows I am a naval nut. You have to protect you citys, to a certain degree.
And just for the record. I only agreed to play "kuja" because I wanted an accurate save file on the game, I gave the game to him so I could look at all the saves. My findings will be posted later.
I am not, nor will I be seeking yet a ninth reign as Game League Champion as I dont have time. Decided to have more sex since civ is, dispite what some might think, not better then sex.
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suas333
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Brooklyn, NY, U.S
Feb 2000
time: 05:13
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Well i don't think a record like 33-3 alone makes someone a cheater. Maybe Kuja is a cheater but this doesn't prove anything. I think that any top player in the league can make sure they only challenge people that would be sure victories in order to advance to such a record. A-Team, I think that their are definately players that are relatively new that you know you can beat regardless of almost any starting position. Kuja was looking to get ahead in the rankings and probably made a point to finish games he was winning and make sure he could win most games.
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EvilProphet
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"Hmmm? horseback riding, cer, alpha code and monarchy? WOW!!!! I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT ONE, thanks!"
Funny, I think I actuallly had to tell you that one. In fact, I did. So don't thank him, thank me.
"Of course you dont waste time defending your citys. Why would you? Nothing proves the point more then someone who does not protect there citys."
I never have and I never will protect my cities. It's why I beat you A-Team and you will never beat me. You're not that good. You never have been good and you most likely will never be good. I'll probably write a strategy on how NOT to defend your cities later tommorrow. It would be a nice addition to the other ones I"ve written. I don't see you writing any A-team. Why don't you write me one on your lighthouse strategy? lol Probably because it's not that great a strategy. Lets face it, you can't even compare to me when it comes to strategical genius. I doubt you could ever even possibly comprehend the strategy I wrote on how to use demographics.
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Bergman
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Sweden
May 1999
time: 05:13
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"Funny, I think I actuallly had to tell you that one. In fact, I did. So don't thank him, thank me"
U might have taught him to play like that, but u learned from people aswell! Hes wining the games not u, so theres no reason that u should get any credit for it...
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DrFell
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He isn't winning games cos he isn't playing any...
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The A-Team
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Warren Michigan
Jan 2001
time: 05:13
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Just for the record eyes. In our last five encounters you are 1-4. And that is true , its true. Your only "win" was because i got disconnected and game continued screwing my civ up and zylka and I bagged the game because it was unfixable. And just maybe, in the divine tribe game, you SHOULD have protected your citys. You are nothing. You have always been nothing. Nothig but a cheater which explains any succes you might have had in the past because in the present you just suck.
/And , again, that is very true. its true.
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EvilProphet
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"Just for the record eyes. In our last five encounters you are 1-4. And that is true , its true. Your only "win" was because i got disconnected and game continued screwing my civ up and zylka and I bagged the game because it was unfixable. And just maybe, in the divine tribe game, you SHOULD have protected your citys. You are nothing. You have always been nothing. Nothig but a cheater which explains any succes you might have had in the past because in the present you just suck."
lol Oh my god man, you just keep getting worse and worse at this. Do you really think people care going to believe that 1-4 ****?
"Nothig but a cheater which explains any succes you might have had in the past because in the present you just suck"
HAHAHA! What in the hell are you basing that on? Give it up man. You just keep sounding dumber and dumber. I don't even really need to do much in reply to that post.
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The A-Team
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Warren Michigan
Jan 2001
time: 05:13
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Never bet into aces pal.
Last five team game , Eyes and Markusf vs me and Zylka.
1) I over run Markusf early...Eyes retires and loses in disgust
2) Zylka over runs all thoose unprotectd Eyes citys, he quits and loses .
3) I get disconnected, computer builds my city in stupid place,nobody has appropriate save, zylka and i bag the game but were still way up.
4) I get a city from a hut, meet zylka and eyes like the baby he is crys about his starting position (odd, even thugh he had a gold mine and an iron mine in first city, yeah that sucks and already meet his partner) quits and goes running home to his mommy.
5) The now infamous divine - knightstalkers game. Eyes had more of those unprotected citys taken including his capital. Complained about his land, even though he was on a big cont with huge river system. I was impotant and no factor in the game and the two of them failed to beat Kaak. Pathetic.
And of course everything above is true. Zylka and markusf will agree to it.
You have no clue what you are doing right now.Just stick to replying to posts and insulting others cause you got no skills and really just suck. If you were nicer to me, I might give you a tutorial session.
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markusf
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by The A-Team on 03-25-2001 09:27 AM</font>
Never bet into aces pal.
Last five team game , Eyes and Markusf vs me and Zylka.
1) I over run Markusf early...Eyes retires and loses in disgust
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3800 bc, you take my second city with a settlar, then 1 turn later 2 horses show up at my cap. Not exactly easy to win that.
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EvilProphet
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Lets go over these games A-Team is bragging about winning in 2 on 2. The first game we played he took out Markus's second city at 3850BC and then came up on him and attacked his capital with 3 horses by 3600BC or earlier. That is of course all skill and A-Team should be bragging as much as he can about it. The next game we played you LOST. Funny how you leave that one out. Then the next game we played you came up on my capital at 3600BC. See the trend here? Anything that goes past the first few turns of the game you lose. And that game with the Iron and gold you kept disconnecting the entire night and it was getting late so I decided to call it a night. Why don't you get the facts straight.
"You have no clue what you are doing right now.Just stick to replying to posts and insulting others cause you got no skills and really just suck. If you were nicer to me, I might give you a tutorial session."
How can you even lay claim to that? You're not even really in a tribe right now because you keep getting kicked out. It took you an entire year to even finally win 1 game off of me, are you trying to say that you then suddenly started beating the **** out of me? lol You do know that there is nobody that has a winning record against me or even a record that breaks even? You aren't even a top player A-Team so stop dreaming. You've lost so many games to me I've lost count. I'm proud of you though, you're at least trying to stand up against me now. Even if you do sound like a 5 year old saying no to his parents.
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SlowwHand
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Back!
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