16-07-2003 21:08									#1
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I'm gonna go with the Harry Potter books, but the Lord of the Rings movies. I think Rowling's plots are weak compared to Tolkien's. However, JKR is infinitely better at crafting characters, which I believe is more important.

The movies, however, are different. The LotR series translates well to film. Both the HP and LotR movies are constrained by time, so the characters aren't as important. The battles of LotR are by far more fun to watch.

	16-07-2003 21:20									#2
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	16-07-2003 21:22									#3
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The battles in LotR suck compared to, say, the ones in Gangs of New York. I don't know if I am going to see the third movie at all. The second one was too interminably boring.

	16-07-2003 21:31									#4
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wow...No comparison, LotR!

	16-07-2003 21:32									#5
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I'm with Jag.

However, I think that the plot in HP is fine, it is designed for a kid after all. While LotR has a more origional setting and well thought out world I think the story and characters suck... HP is much better a character development (as Jag said) and the plot is much better, IMO...

	16-07-2003 21:32									#6
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I voted for harry potter books and lotr books because for each series, the movies didn't live up to the books.

Although if you presented me with a harry potter book or a lord of the rings book, and forced me to read one, I'd probably take harry potter.

	16-07-2003 21:49									#7
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Yeah, LOTR is kinda boring if you're not a fantasy freak.

	16-07-2003 21:52									#8
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Naw.. I loved LotR, I even read a lot of the other books on the matter... Yet, Tolkein could of put more work into the characters, at least as he did the world, gods, and magic...

What is kind of boring, and I love fantasy, is Jordan's Wheel of Time series... Talk about poor character development (or at least sparatic development) and an even poorer creation of a world...

Tolkein and Rowling are both great writters. Yet, I see Rowling more as a player and Tolkein more as DM...

	16-07-2003 21:56									#9
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LoTR movies... hands down... I never got into the Tolkein books... and Harry Potter just sucks... books and movies.

	16-07-2003 22:07									#10
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I thought Jordan's world creation was great - his critical error lies in the length and style of his prose, and his constant tendency for constantly constant repitition.

	16-07-2003 22:14									#11
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I hope Harry dies in the next book or movie.

	16-07-2003 22:38									#12
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I can't believe people are actually comparing Tolkien with Harry Potter.

	16-07-2003 22:52									#13
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Hobbit!

	17-07-2003 02:48									#14
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how about one of the 1001 other threads on this issue

	17-07-2003 05:55									#15
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Potter books... easily. They are simply more enjoyable. LOTR is good literature, but so it Moby ****, and I ain't reading that again . One time for LOTR was good enough for me... it might put me to sleep the second time .

Movie wise, LOTR is better because it feels epic... even though TTT movie sucked. Potter movies, while nice, aren't being done by the best directors or actors.... though Kenneth Branaugh was quite good .

	17-07-2003 06:04									#16
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Lord of the Rings. Harry Potter is enjoyable, but it just can't compete with Tolkien's work.

	17-07-2003 07:13									#17
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oh my god... nerds... time to commandeer the poll?

from now on, Who is the best guard in the NBA? (i wish you had more slots)

HP books is now Allen Iverson
LotR books is Kobe Bryant
HP movies is Jason Kidd
LotR movies is Vince Carter

i'd have to go with LotR books/Kobe Bryant just because points is what matters and you can't **** with his 30 ppg.

	17-07-2003 07:14									#18
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Nerds? This coming from someone that likes basketball... eww

	17-07-2003 07:18									#19
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HP books, edging LotR movies. Subject to change if extended edition of TTT is as big an improvement as it was for Fellowship, though I don't know how it could be... TTT was damned near perfect.

I'll take Jason Kidd. He's tougher than Kobe. It's a close decision, though.

	17-07-2003 07:32									#20
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i'm unfamiliar with Kidd's ppg though... isnt it around 17 or so though? just over half of Bryant's... not really that great... though i do understand that the guard's main job isnt to rack up points but to move the ball but Bryant clearly does that as well and still manages such a high ppg... i do kind of question how good he would be alone on another team but i still think he gets this.

	17-07-2003 07:34									#21
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Take your threadjack to a thread that actually gives a damn .

	17-07-2003 07:38									#22
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LotR books and movies. Harry Potter is enjoyable, but that's all: it's cheap and cheery, but not particularly good. Movies, there's no contest. LotR is just awesome. No other word describes it.

	17-07-2003 07:40									#23
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Vince Carter.

	17-07-2003 07:49									#24
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cinch:

carter just barely made my poll... there's countless other guards who were more than worthy of this limited, four slot poll but i was in some kind of odd mood and threw him in... damn maybe Stockton would've been a better choice especially since he's old school...

anyway just because carter dunks people think he's so great... :rollseyes:

	17-07-2003 20:00									#25
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I can't believe people actually read that Elves-and-goblins Tolkien rubbish! They're KIDS books for christ's sake!

The LOTR books contain dozens of pages of sterile exposition and stilted dialogue. Half of each of the novels is brilliant, but the other half is a waste of everyone's time.

Harry Potter isn't great art by any means, but neither is LOTR.

	17-07-2003 20:02									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Lord of the Rings. Harry Potter is enjoyable, but it just can't compete with Tolkien's work.

Ive been into LOTR for 30 years, Ive read the Silmarillion, and i must beg to disagree.

Tolkiens world is fascinating. His mass of details, history, mythology, languages etc. But his charecterizations are weak and his dialogue uneven. In LOTR only the hobbits and Gandalf come off as real characters, not cartoons. And of those, only Frodo and Sam come off as characters with any depth, who really grow through the novels and hold your interest as characters. Whereas Harry Potter is filled with interesting, beleivable characters, who really develop, and whose dilemnas illustrate real human problems.

I guess another way of saying it is that LOTR succeeds as a genre novel - perhaps the greatest genre novel of all time - while Harry Potter succeeds as general literature - though there it must compete with so many great works, that Harry Potter may end up not being thought a classic as much as LOTR.

	17-07-2003 20:02									#27
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lotr books.

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LOTR ... definitely

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I'm waiting for the crossover.

	17-07-2003 20:05									#30
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People older than say....12, will pick LOTR; for the most part.