17-07-2003 11:28									#1
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I think they should bundle the two expansions together to make them cheeper. I think its stupid that they want people to pay what amounts to 60 or so dollars for what amounts to several improvments that seem more like a extravogent patch. Anyway I want to tell Firaxis to bundle them and make them cheap. I'm shure they have been raking in cash on this game so far, cut us some slack.

	17-07-2003 12:17									#2
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I believe that PTW is included in Conquests -- just not in so many words.

	17-07-2003 15:38									#3
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I'm pretty sure that Jeff_Atari has said that Conquests would include the PTW content.

	17-07-2003 16:38									#4
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Knew I should have waited on PTW. Just couldn't for some reason

	17-07-2003 19:31									#5
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm I'm pretty sure that Jeff_Atari has said that Conquests would include the PTW content.

Wow they really ripped us off with PTW then, didn't they?

	17-07-2003 19:45									#6
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Wow they really ripped us off with PTW then, didn't they?

Have you been playing PTW?

Yes?

Then the answer is no.

	17-07-2003 20:03									#7
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quote: Have you been playing PTW?

Yes, but I didn't inhale.

	17-07-2003 20:56									#8
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I don't know, but seems I have spent more for dinner many times since I got PTW and I do not remember any of them. At least I am getting value for PTW.
I know I would not have wanted to wait the whole time from PTW to C3C, just to save less than $30.

	17-07-2003 21:47									#9
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Agreed. My feeling is PtW and C3C are being released far enough apart that I don't feel ripped off. And price wise, first run movies in Los Angeles are $9.50, a beer in a pub $4.50, an amusement park $50.00. Using those forms of entertainment as measures, I got my money's worth right about the time I reached Military Tradition in my first game.

	17-07-2003 21:55									#10
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I agree;

	17-07-2003 21:55									#11
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I agree;

	17-07-2003 21:55									#12
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I agree;

	17-07-2003 21:56									#13
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I agree; even at "full price", a good computer game is a wonderfully cheap means of entertainment.

	18-07-2003 08:15									#14
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quote: Originally posted by TheArsenal Agreed. My feeling is PtW and C3C are being released far enough apart that I don't feel ripped off. And price wise, first run movies in Los Angeles are $9.50, a beer in a pub $4.50, an amusement park $50.00. Using those forms of entertainment as measures, I got my money's worth right about the time I reached Military Tradition in my first game.

So very true. And a good analogy by the way.

The movie analogy is another good one. You can't get out of a movie these days without paying $15 per person including food and drinks (in California at least). For the price of two movies you just bought yourself hours of entertainment with a game.

	18-07-2003 08:53									#15
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Does this mean that Conquests will have the extra civs like the Mongols and Spainards as well as those terrain improvments also. Or will it just have the multiplayer from PTW? That would be totaly awesome if it included all of PTW. Well at least for those of us who skipped PTW.

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	18-07-2003 08:56									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Insigna Do this mean that Conquests will have the extra civs like the Mongols and Spainards as well as those terrain improvments also. Or will it just have the multiplayer from PTW? That would be totaly awesome if it included all of PTW. Well at least for those of us who skipped PTW.

That is the way I took it, but I could be wrong. IMHO, it would not be in their best interest to release a new expansion that wouldn't be compatible with PTW so they had to include PTW as part of Conquests.

	18-07-2003 09:41									#17
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Does anyone have an official source on this?

	18-07-2003 09:49									#18
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I saw it in the Gamespot preview (the link to it is now on the second page in the general forum I believe).

	18-07-2003 09:55									#19
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod Does anyone have an official source on this?

You'll find it here:

www.gamespy.com/previews/july03/civ3conquestspc/

In the final paragraph, it states:

"Play the World in its entirety, minus the fan-made maps, is included in Conquests."

	18-07-2003 15:32									#20
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Which fan made maps you can download anyway from various places.

Btw Mad Monk, you seem to agree very strongly with what has been said (but I'm actually surprised that you could post anything at that hour)

	18-07-2003 16:14									#21
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I don't care if they continue to spit out expansions pack I've got the money to buy it and so I will (yeah I'm a sucker). However when Civ 3 originally was released and I noticed no MP or proper scenario support I knew that expansions pack were to follow. I am quite sure that this was a planned tactic from Firaxis to increase their income by producing cheap xp. Even if many more companies do like this I really hate it.

	18-07-2003 17:28									#22
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Civ2 didn't include MP either. So this isn't exactly new ...
(as for scenarions, I couldn't care less; but that's just me).

What would piss me off mightily is the idea that Firaxis left out on purpose certain features from the original Civ3 to sell them in XPs. (like wonders, governments, civs, etc) But I doubt that would be the case.

	18-07-2003 17:53									#23
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hi ,

everthing thats in ptw is going to be in conquests , the only thing you need is the original civ III game , .......

have a nice day

	18-07-2003 20:18									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Civ2 didn't include MP either. So this isn't exactly new ... (as for scenarions, I couldn't care less; but that's just me). What would piss me off mightily is the idea that Firaxis left out on purpose certain features from the original Civ3 to sell them in XPs. (like wonders, governments, civs, etc) But I doubt that would be the case.

I can tell you that based upon how hard everyone involved is working that isn't the case.

	19-07-2003 04:47									#25
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If it weren't for PTW, I would have never picked up Civ3 again....

Seriously Civ3 vanilla sucked. PTW made it awsome (even the single-player game)

	19-07-2003 06:37									#26
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quote: Seriously Civ3 vanilla sucked. PTW made it awsome (even the single-player game)

That's great news for me, PTW will arrive soon, and I like nila Civ3.

	19-07-2003 08:43									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen If it weren't for PTW, I would have never picked up Civ3 again.... Seriously Civ3 vanilla sucked. PTW made it awsome (even the single-player game)

You got that right. I still don't play the game much per se, but I've had a lot of fun "adjusting" things in the editor.