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Firelad
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Haifa, Israel.
May 2002
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Well, sounds like a grand diet indeed. Just leave out the healthy stuff and eat lots of fat stuff with protein.
Good.
Wanna be slim AND healthy? Live on rice and veggies, meat once or twice a week. Also exercise - if you do this you can also have your beer... Wanna suffer from malnutrition? Do this. AND no beer. :P
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Jac de Molay
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Detroit
Sep 2001
time: 05:29
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Most people don't have the stamina to do it for more than 20 or 30 minutes. |
Well yeah, not when they're just starting out. It takes time, effort, and patience.
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There has yet to be conclusive evidence that excersize increases your lifespan. |
 If anyone who was overweight/borderline would start a moderate exercise and take on a sensible diet (not this Atkins crap), they would probably avoid every known risk factor for being overweight, from diabetes to hypertension.
I take on a little protein because I like to lift weights, but I wouldn't do Atkins. If people would substitute good foods for junk, and exercise regularly, it wouldn't be such a problem. But, people eat badly, stress out, and let their egos run wild, and then wonder why they look and feel like sh*t. 
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Jac de Molay
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Detroit
Sep 2001
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by Azazel
If people ate right and didn't have a terrible lifestyle, they wouldn't be facing these problems... du-h! |
Well, at least in American society, it's not quite the no-brainer it seems. 
I have members of my family who are seriously overweight, and suffer badly from it, like diabetes. The prevailing culture says it ok to stress out, eat badly, and work yourself into the ground so you can invest in making money, and acquiring material things.
But, when you start to talk about fitness and diet as an investment, it's suddenly not worth pursuing, or excuses like 'Im too busy, not enough time".
Fad diets will do nothing if you can't make an investment in yourself.
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lightblue
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by Dissident
that's not true.
What kind of excersize do you do? run a friggin' marathon?
excersize doesn't burn that many calories. Most people don't have the stamina to do it for more than 20 or 30 minutes. And it's not worth the lost time to your life. There has yet to be conclusive evidence that excersize increases your lifespan. Being fit increases your lifespan- but some people can be fit without ever excersizing. I wish I was one of those people  .
Reducing you calorie intake is the surefire way to lose weight. But that takes discipline. |
I row (crew i think you Americans call it). I do about 20km a day on the water, 3*1hr (16-7km) on the machine a week. Add to that regular weight sessions. I do the rowing usually between 6 and 8am, then the rest for an hour in the late afternoon, early evening.
So yes it is an awful lot, but I find it better to spend time doing it than sleeping or watching TV.
Exercise is the single best proven healthy way of losing bodyfat. I haven't lost much weight if any, since seriously turning up the training regime, but I have reduced my bodyfat percentage from 16% to 9%.
In the meanwhile my average food intake will look sometime like this: couple of bananas before the morning outing, full fried breakfast (3 eggs, 3 rashers of bacon, 3 sausages, hashbrown, toast, beans, tomatoes), couple of sandwiches for lunch, about 500g of pasta for dinner. In between I snack a lot, mostly Jaffa cakes, chocolate bars and fruit. I'll drink on average about 2 litres of juice, 2 litres of softdrinks and about 3 pints of beer (but I binge drink those).
Caloric restriction only works for lengthening your life if you do it seriously, ie if you cut it to about 30-40% of the recommended amount. And even then it's only shown in rodents and not humans.
Diets should only really be used by people who have some sort of disability that does not allow them to exercise, imo of course.
All remotely serious rowers eat and drink what they want (apart from the lightweights, but people starving themselves down to 72kg at 1m90 are playing a dangerous game), and almost all will have low body fat percentages (mainly because as a crew you want to minimise weight for maximum power, we use tests such Watts produced per kilogram of body mass).
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Gatekeeper
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United States of America
Feb 2000
time: 23:29
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Y'know what, Lung? You're pretty rude about certain things. Yes, there are so-called lardbutts out there who are that simply because they eat too much and get too little exercise. There are also lardbutts out there whose problems are rooted in genetics.
We've all been envious of the folks who can eat anything in the world, in significant quantities, and never gain a pound. That's been tied to genetics. It goes to reason that the opposite is true as well — and research is proving this — that there are populations out there who pretty pack on the pounds no matter how much or how little they eat, or their exerise levels. It's tied to genetics. Hell, they've found that there are entire populations who are more likely to become addicted to various drugs — tobacco, for example — because, somewhere in their genetic makeup, a switch has been flipped, oftentimes due to no conscious action of their own.
Now this isn't an excuse for folks to "go with the flow," so to speak, but it puts things in perspective, IMO.
Gatekeeper
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20-07-2003 17:56
Buy the book and read the proof. You never were a conservative, siding with the traditional orthodoxy. Why now. 
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