21-07-2003 13:00									#31
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Yes, this is true.

I feel like beating the heck out of all you people. Why are some of you so rational and logical in a world that does not support those characteristics? JUST SAY NO TO ENTHALPY!!

	21-07-2003 13:01									#32
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some of these freaks would get turned on if you beat the crap out of them.

	21-07-2003 13:07									#33
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quote: JUST SAY NO TO ENTHALPY!!

I share that sentiment.

	21-07-2003 14:18									#34
	Re: Re: The Internet - Isolating or Connecting People? Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by Eli Really? I dont see how that follows from the use of the internet.

Ok, you read a lot on the Net, but I was referring to reading fewer books in real life. Instead of starting on War and Peace you log on to Apolyton for hours and hours, answering stupid questions like whether the Internet isolates or connects people.

And here I am, 11.17 AM in an Internet café in Italy, posting a reply to someone I don't know and probably never will meet when I should be studying... You see my point?

Carolus

	21-07-2003 14:25									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Never done this. Yet.

Well, I have. When my addiction was at its worst (best? ) I turned down quite a few parties with some of my best friends only to be able to play Civ II MP with people I've never met.

I guess I'm the vulnerable kind...

Carolus

	21-07-2003 14:33									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident So what would the world be like without the internet? I guess it would be a lot like 1994

Ah, 1994... That summer was great... Sweden finished third in the soccer World Cup...

Carolus

	21-07-2003 15:21									#37
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I also tend to the opinion that it does both.

It bears a certain factor of addiction, meaning you will tend to rather hang out in the internet, posting in chats and forums, than to go out with friends. If you have no life, that is. If your friends succeeded to get you out of your home, after at most 3 hours you'll get nervous and your fingers begin to move as if they were typing at the bar table. If this happens, it's almost too late. You will feel the urge to leave the party and to go home. The first thing you'll do is quickly to check the boards, "just for a couple minutes". After a few hours, you'll be feeling better. And before I forget: No, that's not about me.

On the other hand, a personal example. Last Friday I brought my wife to the airport. No, she's not leaving me, she's off to visit her parents for two weeks. My son went the same day back to Munich, in his own apartment. Our hosts are gone too for a couple of weeks. At Saturday evening I phoned my parents. After I described the situation, they said, "so you're going to be alone for whole two weeks?" "Not at all", I responded. "I'm never alone."

	21-07-2003 15:33									#38
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Hm, sounds like you couldn't drive her fast enough to the airport so you could get on-line asap...

Carolus

	21-07-2003 15:35									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph After I described the situation, they said, "so you're going to be alone for whole two weeks?" "Not at all", I responded. "I'm never alone."

*tear*

	21-07-2003 15:57									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex Ok, you read a lot on the Net, but I was referring to reading fewer books in real life. Instead of starting on War and Peace you log on to Apolyton for hours and hours, answering stupid questions like whether the Internet isolates or connects people.

With the net = I download books and read them. A lot.
Without the net = I'm too lazy to go to the library and watch TV all day long.

Books are a way to get knowledge, the Internet is the same.

I agree with those who say it's a tool. One can spend all his time on downloading pictures of soap opera stars or on reading/posting discussions about history, geo politics and science or whatever you think is "smart".

It is safe to assume that without the internet the first person would'nt have been reading War and Peace in his spare time.

quote: And here I am, 11.17 AM in an Internet café in Italy, posting a reply to someone I don't know and probably never will meet when I should be studying... You see my point? Carolus

Without the net you would've simply found another excuse not to study.

	21-07-2003 16:07									#41
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I've met IRL over 30 people from all over the world including the US, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Swizerland, Netherlands all of whom I first met on the internet. Definitely connecting people.

	21-07-2003 21:11									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Without the net you would've simply found another excuse not to study.

Heh, heh, heh! How true!

Carolus

	21-07-2003 21:22									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Sure it helps in researching many things. But that research can be done in libraries. All the internet does is save time. Has it really saved any lives?

I've seen many articles about poor people using medical sites in public libraries to help identify symptoms and getting common treatment. These people don't have the money to see doctors for every little thing. Many people's lives have been saved by early detection, if you can believe these articles.

	21-07-2003 21:26									#44
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how can you download and read books on the internet... i mean damn... sitting at the computer screen for hours reading an entire book... i'd rather have the paperback


thanks

	21-07-2003 22:21									#45
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Uh, Diss...as soon as the Ouachita County Public Library has the research potential of the internet, I'll let you know.

	21-07-2003 23:37									#46
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I have found that libraries are far better for research. ever try to look up something a little less known on the internet? for example, if you wanted to know about world history in 700 AD, you won't find **** on the internet. maybe some vague summaries or a translation from some chronicle... go to the library, though, and you'll find whole books... massive tomes... written about this topic.

the internet (like an encyclopedia) is good for basic information which usually is all you'll ever need but if you want something in depth, you got to get a book.

	21-07-2003 23:50									#47
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For sure, books make better reading than right off the screen.

AS,

You may be right for now, but remember that the Net is a fairly new medium and the information it contains is growing by the second.

I prefer the real thing myself. I may look things up on the Net, but if I'm interested in something, then I want it the good old way. Books, music, films, computer games, whatever.

In time, all the knowledge of the human race will be accessible on the Net (possibly with a time lag) IMHO. How much could you find in books 9 years (ca) after they were fairly widespread among common people?

Carolus

	22-07-2003 00:04									#48
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but who's going to type up all these books?

thats the amazing thing... that project gutenburg and all the sites with the full texts of dozens of books and even the bible... who types these things up?

	22-07-2003 00:08									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer but who's going to type up all these books?

You don't have to type them, Albert. There are plenty of programs that will do the job for you, using a scanner to turn each pair of pages into a PDF or even a word processor file (although often the latter has a few mistakes). It still takes a little time, but it's 100 times quicker than re-typing the whole darn book.

	22-07-2003 00:19									#50
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Yup, scanning is one way. There are also laser pens which read written texts when you move them across the pages. They transmit every character directly on-screen (into for example a Word document).

Check out the Swedish company Anoto Group (formerly C-Tech) for details. Yes, I owe some (almost worthless these days) stocks...

Carolus

	22-07-2003 00:27									#51
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Swedish companies sell stocks? is there some kind of twist with that?

but thats some amazing technologies... i didn't know they existed. but are these things just image files of every page or are they like word documents?

	22-07-2003 00:49									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Swedish companies sell stocks? is there some kind of twist with that?

???

quote: but are these things just image files of every page or are they like word documents?

Both are possible.

	22-07-2003 01:07									#53
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Mostly word documents. Books in image files take way too much space. People scan them, then proof read and release to the net.

Due to a small quirk of mine, I have almost 700 megs of books(~4000 of them) stored on my PC and the number is growing.

	22-07-2003 11:53									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Swedish companies sell stocks? is there some kind of twist with that?

Eh, no they sell laser/digital pens... Ok, I'll bite. Stocks are financial assets, traded at stock exchange markets.

http://www.anoto.com/

Choose "products", then choose "digital pens".

Carolus

	22-07-2003 11:58									#55
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umm... see i know Sweden is very socialistic so i wouldn't expect Swedes to be partaking in capitalist corporate activities like stock ownership and trading

	23-07-2003 21:23									#57
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Fairly balanced answers so far, but with a clear edge for connecting people... I guess asking the question in an on-line community forum should give rise to biased answers...

Carolus

	23-07-2003 21:37									#58
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i think a lot of it is a cultural thing. in korea, where they have internet-connected lan "pc bang"s, where over half the population has access to broadband and are used to the cutting edge in technology such as cell phones, the internet has actually helped many associate and connect people.

indeed, there was a couple which got married after they met over diablo 2... ... and many such pc bangs have wide seats that allow more than one person to sit in a spot, allowing couples to browse the internet together, if they so chose.

it's odd, really, to someone who's used to the american internet experience, which is more divisive in the local arena but more connective in the wide/distant level.

	23-07-2003 21:40									#59
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quote: umm... see i know Sweden is very socialistic so i wouldn't expect Swedes to be partaking in capitalist corporate activities like stock ownership and trading

albert, all of western europe, including the scandinavian countries, are fully functioning liberal democracies with a capitalist economic system. their politics tend to be socialist, but their economies are very much capitalist and free market.
of course, with a socialist polity, you end up getting tax burdens upward of 50-60%.
sweden's stock indices isn't one of the biggest ones in europe (britain's ftse and germany's dax come to mind), but it has a fairly big one called stockholmsbörsen.

	23-07-2003 23:18									#60
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Ditto!

Carolus