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Udelar
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No matter what, it seems that my bases lose the extra minerals whenever they finish their current build. I click the "Rush Build" option, then click on "Make Partial Payment" and put in an amount greater than the cost shown to rush the item. However, when I go into the base next turn, all of the extra minerals are gone. This happens regardless of whether I set the next item in the queue up the preceding turn. So, can anyone give me a step-by-step for how this is done?
Udelar
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Mongoose
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Harrisburg,PA USA
Apr 1999
time: 00:29
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You can NEVER carry forward more than 10 minerals.
If your base is producing in excess of 10 mins, you will have waste even if you simply rush to completion.
If your base is producing exactly 10 mins, rushing to completion will leave the maximum 10 mineral carryforward for the next turn.
The only times that overpaying pays are -
1) If you expect occupation of one or more of your worked tiles (or destruction of one or more of your mineral crawlers) that would lower your realized mineral production below the nominal level.
2) If the base is producing less than 10 mins. In that case, to get the maximum effect, overpay by (10 - P) minerals where P= the base's mineral production.
The main benefit to the overpayment play is to permit additional rush buying in the next turn at a lower cost than would be otherwise. For example, facilities cost 2ec/mineral to rush build if you already have 10 minerals accumulated. If your accumulated minerals are fewer than 10, the cost to rush doubles, to four ec/min.
The per mineral cost of rushing units will vary with the number of minerals required to complete construction, but that cost will double (as in the case with facilities) if there are fewer than 10 mins. accumulated.
Hope this is what you wanted.
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Udelar
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That's it exactly. Thanks.
Udelar
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johndmuller
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Capitol Hill, Colony of DC
Feb 2001
time: 00:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Mongoose
. . . .
The only times that overpaying pays are -
1) If you expect occupation . . . . (min production decline)
2) If the base is producing less than 10 mins. In that case, to get the maximum effect, overpay by (10 - P) minerals where P= the base's mineral production.
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I'm unsure exactly what you are saying here Mong - according to how 'overpay' translates from moment to moment, but it is my understanding that the most you can carry forward is the lesser of 10 or the bases current min production, which you might also be saying, so let me put in some numbers to remove the semantic obstacles.
For example:
- Base produces 6 mins per turn
- The (facility) build costs 30 mins
- 10 mins have been accumulated (so the progress display shows 10 solid boxes, 6 partially shaded boxes and 14 empty boxes)
- The "Hurry" button quotes you a cost of 40 ec to complete the build
Under these circumstances, it is my belief that paying the 40 will finish the build and give you a carryforward of 6 mins the following turn; likewise, paying 12 less, or 28 mins will finish the build and have a carryforward of zero the following turn.
Paying more than the 40 (which can be done as a 'partial' payment) will not increase the amount of carryforward beyond the current min production amount. In other words, if you paid 48 in hopes of getting a carryforward of 10, you would be disappointed to get only the same 6 carried forward.
When I first saw this post I flashed on the possibility that you were saying that one could pay to get up to the 10 carryforward level (something that I was presuming that I had tried to no avail a long time ago - but what if I hadn't, oh no!), so I tested it out and satisfied myself that (at least in my copy of SMAC v4 Windows) one merely gets red boxes in the display and wastes the extra money. I would be most interested if that is not the case for SMAX v2 Win or other versions of the program.
As to how this interacts with possible unplanned loss of min production in the following turn (due to unfriendlly units in your tile, loss of min crawlers, terrain alteration, or whatever), I am not completely certain. I have been known to pay a few extra (later in the game when I feel flush) beyond what is necessary to get the 10 carryforward as a contingency to ameliorate such potential loss so as to lower the risk of being unable to rush again without that onerous double cost penalty - but these excess payments are still within the amount that the game suggests for completing the build (i.e. the base production is above 10) and the red boxes do not appear. In that case, I think that the excess payment works (IIRC) to mitigate the damage; however, when attempting to pay beyond the maximum allowed by your production, my guess is that the game eats your excess payment right away and does not apply any of it to use for min-shortfall amelioration if needed the next turn, adding the proverbial insult to injury.
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