24-07-2003 15:49									#331
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Awww... somebody has some issues...

Yes, both of you.

	24-07-2003 15:51									#332
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I bet you're cute when you're angry.

It was I who suppose to be trolling here, not you.


Damn gays, you ruined such a perfect thread with your silly gay- "blah...blah...blah."

	24-07-2003 15:59									#333
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quote: It was I who suppose to be trolling here, not you.

You're too easily offended to be able to hold the upper hand in a troll-fest for any length of time.

	24-07-2003 16:02									#334
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Perhaps I should change my tactics to "hit and run" trolls.

	24-07-2003 19:59									#335
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Serb,

You are getting the worst of it by letting Fez's inability to pay attention to what he writes annoy you.

If you stick to the facts he has nowhere to go.

First off he said that Russia's military must be collapsing because it spends $11bn a year - when it is shown to him why that buys a lot more in Russia than in the US (or Spain for that matter) he claims that what he was really saying was that Russia's military is not as well provisioned as the US's.

This change in what he claimed he was talking about was either intentional or unintentional.
If it was unintentional then Fez obviously has problems in expressing himself adequately, and as such we should treat every 'point' he makes as something dubious that may actually mean something else - in that case ask him to confirm, in no uncertain terms, exactly what he is talking about before replying.
If it was intentional then Fez is using a common aural debating trick of attempting to change what you said a while ago to something else when you're proved wrong - what amazes me is that he was stupid enough to try that here (where you can easily see what he wrote a while ago) and, even more surprising is that you fell for it.

	24-07-2003 20:04									#336
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Damn gays, you ruined such a perfect thread with your silly gay- "blah...blah...blah."

They ruined it! You and Fez ****ed it up long before they got here.

	24-07-2003 22:31									#337
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I think you two would make a great couple. Fez could be the ray of Latin sunshine that warms your cold, Siberian heart, Serb. So romantic...

	24-07-2003 22:33									#338
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post a pic serb

	25-07-2003 02:35									#339
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quote: Originally posted by el freako Serb, You are getting the worst of it by letting Fez's inability to pay attention to what he writes annoy you. If you stick to the facts he has nowhere to go. First off he said that Russia's military must be collapsing because it spends $11bn a year - when it is shown to him why that buys a lot more in Russia than in the US (or Spain for that matter) he claims that what he was really saying was that Russia's military is not as well provisioned as the US's.

I only posted an article that mentioned that Russian soldiers do not have enough to eat and they cannot afford uniforms.

quote: If it was unintentional then Fez obviously has problems in expressing himself adequately, and as such we should treat every 'point' he makes as something dubious that may actually mean something else - in that case ask him to confirm, in no uncertain terms, exactly what he is talking about before replying.

I posted my evidence and I have provided an adequate response to it. I posted solid facts.

If you think you can outwit me, you cannot. You didn't in the debate about economics and you won't now.

quote: If it was intentional then Fez is using a common aural debating trick of attempting to change what you said a while ago to something else when you're proved wrong - what amazes me is that he was stupid enough to try that here (where you can easily see what he wrote a while ago) and, even more surprising is that you fell for it.

I make a good politican.

Edit: And oh it was intentional.

	25-07-2003 03:05									#340
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quote: Originally posted by Fez If you think you can outwit me, you cannot. You didn't in the debate about economics and you won't now.

Fez, an ameboa could outwit you - your debating 'skill' consists of only one tactic - saying you are right and refusing to admit defeat even when it is patently obvious.
As such in any debate all you come across as is an idiot.

Maybe I can't 'outwit' you then, but then by that standard I couldn't 'outwit' a parrot or a recorded message either.

quote: Originally posted by Fez I make a good politican. Edit: And oh it was intentional.

No, you'd make a very poor polititian indeed - do you honestly think you can fool people as easily as you did serb then?
If I check up on what you say even here in these forums you'd be ripped to shreds by any reporters wanting a story.

The only parties who would touch you with a barge-pole are those who think that any publicity is good publicity.

	25-07-2003 03:31									#341
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quote: Originally posted by el freako Fez, an ameboa could outwit you - your debating 'skill' consists of only one tactic - saying you are right and refusing to admit defeat even when it is patently obvious. As such in any debate all you come across as is an idiot. Maybe I can't 'outwit' you then, but then by that standard I couldn't 'outwit' a parrot or a recorded message either.

And I classify you as the typical *******.

quote: No, you'd make a very poor polititian indeed - do you honestly think you can fool people as easily as you did serb then?

I know my limits and what kind of people I deal with. I do things differently with others.

quote: If I check up on what you say even here in these forums you'd be ripped to shreds by any reporters wanting a story. The only parties who would touch you with a barge-pole are those who think that any publicity is good publicity.

You my foe are the typical jackass who wants nothing more but to see me fail.. do you have any decency at all?

	25-07-2003 10:41									#342
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I know my limits and what kind of people I deal with. I do things differently with others.

You clearly don't know your limits or you would only engage the brain-dead in debate.

quote: Originally posted by Fez You my foe are the typical jackass who wants nothing more but to see me fail.. do you have any decency at all?

More paranoia from you here, have you considered getting your head shrinked?
I would love to see you succeed in an argument - that is succeed by using another method other than your usual parroting of "I'm right, you're wrong" untill everyone get's bored.
You may think that you 'win' these exchanges - what you really do is make it less and less likely that anyone will take anything you say seriously, which is a shame as I'm sure you have important things to contribute.

	25-07-2003 11:13									#344
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quote: Originally posted by el freako You clearly don't know your limits or you would only engage the brain-dead in debate. More paranoia from you here, have you considered getting your head shrinked? I would love to see you succeed in an argument - that is succeed by using another method other than your usual parroting of "I'm right, you're wrong" untill everyone get's bored. You may think that you 'win' these exchanges - what you really do is make it less and less likely that anyone will take anything you say seriously, which is a shame as I'm sure you have important things to contribute.

This is not going anywhere... good day to you sir.

	25-07-2003 11:22									#345
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell

Is there a DL in the house? What's all this dancing for?

	25-07-2003 13:08									#346
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman post a pic serb

As you wish.

	25-07-2003 13:10									#347
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc They ruined it! You and Fez ****ed it up long before they got here.

I just made a comment that M16 sucks.

	25-07-2003 13:11									#348
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Imagine Serb posting a picture involving oral sex on President Bush. Do you wish you were the turkey?

	25-07-2003 13:12									#349
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I'm using a "hit and run" trolls now. So, I'm log-off.

	25-07-2003 13:17									#350
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You're learning.

	26-07-2003 04:31									#351
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Threads like these are the reason I hardly post in the OT anyomore...

	26-07-2003 05:55									#352
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quote: Threads like these are the reason I hardly post in the OT anyomore...

Afraid you'll crack under temptation and succumb to the wonders of gaiety?

	26-07-2003 17:13									#353
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Well, I don't care what anyone says, but I think that the US coming crawling to the UN to clear up their mess is pretty silly.

	26-07-2003 20:09									#354
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Why?

* DinoDoc is estatic someone remembers the original topic

	26-07-2003 22:54									#355
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Perhaps I should change my tactics to "hit and run" trolls.

No... maybe you should change your tactics... be civil, don't use foreign languages and don't swear...

See ya in a week.

People need to chill... and stay on topic, or a few people are going to join Serb.

	26-07-2003 23:04									#356
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Why? * DinoDoc is estatic someone remembers the original topic

Hmm... let's see first it flaunts the UN and does its own way unilaterally, and then wants it's support for that dirty and boring thing called "nation building"....

	26-07-2003 23:14									#357
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Hmm... let's see first it flaunts the UN and does its own way unilaterally, and then wants it's support for that dirty and boring thing called "nation building"....

Hmmm...flaunting the UN? I thought that it was the UN flaunting its own resolution.

Hmmm...I thought UN passed a new resolution legitimizing current US/UK stewardship in Iraq?

Hmmm...I thought many UN countries had been clamoring for more UN involvement.

Hmmm...I thought everybody used to say the problem was that the UN was not involved enough.

Hmmm...Maybe some people just want to bash US no matter what they do.

	27-07-2003 06:07									#358
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Did the war on terror end when the Iraqis planebombed New York?

- blatant Animal House ripoff

	27-07-2003 06:15									#359
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO1003 Hmmm...flaunting the UN? I thought that it was the UN flaunting its own resolution. Hmmm...I thought UN passed a new resolution legitimizing current US/UK stewardship in Iraq? Hmmm...I thought many UN countries had been clamoring for more UN involvement. Hmmm...I thought everybody used to say the problem was that the UN was not involved enough. Hmmm...Maybe some people just want to bash US no matter what they do.

or maybe US/UK forced the UN to pass a resolution to legitimize current stewardship

or maybe UN countries are UK and US too that should agree first and act later, and Imagine how US would react if China decided to invade Taiwan... or similar...

and maybe the US wants to bash the people no matter what they do

	27-07-2003 09:30									#360
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The UN did not flaunt it's own resolution. I've already argued a million times that the wording of the last resolution did not imply impending miltiary action but would require a further resolution authorizing such (yes diplomatic wording is a bit "special").

The US at the time of the attack on Iraq had not legitimized such military action. Thus, saying that a new resolution legitimized it now is accepting that at the moment that attack was illegal and was only legalized afterwards.

The UN is not involved enough because of the way the UN is structured: i.e. the monopoly of the veto-wielding countries of the Security Council. If you want the UN to work, keep all countries as equal but that won't happen because the veto-powers won't allow that power to be taken away from them. Thus, unfortunately, the UN will never be truly independent until this happens. Ironically it is countries like the US which blast the UN for not having enough power, but it is the same countries which would never allow losing these privileges which have allowed them to reject countless worthy resolutions during the last decades.

It's not that some people just want to bash the US, it's that the US seemingly will not do what the world wants. To see that the #1 follower of liberty and democracy do as it pleases in the world stage is the utmost in hypocrecy. Liberty at home, iron fist everywhere else.