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Louis XXIV
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I left my heart in Zarigueya
Mar 2003
time: 00:29
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Originally posted by Vince278
How about Ithkul? (Ooops, wrong forum  ) Seriously though, the Amish sound good to me since I'm from Amish country. I don't think I'd want to give "player" status to any nation that was a barbarian race up to now. How about an Islamic nation? At its height Islam spread from France to Indonesia.
With the choices presented so far I could agree on the Hebrews too.  |
Are you from Lancaster County?
Technically the Amish are just a religious group made up of German immigrants. Although the Ottomans wouldn't count as an "Islamic Nation" maybe the Arabs would. If you mean any Islamic nation, there's 2.
Although I like Israel and Byzantium, the nation I want the most is Assyria. The most powerful ancient war machine until possibly Rome, they used iron early and effectively (probably the first to mass produce it). They mastered seige warfare, invented many things, and were effective with Chariots, Horse Archers, and massed Archer formations
They could be Mil, Sci or Sci, Exp
Their UU could be a Horse Archer (2.1.3)
But more importantly than Assyria, I would want 32 total civs (Assyria and something else)
BTW, the problem with civs in Africa is that Afrcia is considered part of other culture groups. Egypt and Carthage are in the Meditaranian, the Zulu are in the crowded Middle-East. And before you think about a region to fill, you really should wonder if that country did more than a country in a crowded region that gets left out.
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SIV
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Originally posted by Louis XXIV
the nation I want the most is Assyria. The most powerful ancient war machine until possibly Rome |
A bit off-topic, but the babylonians destroyed them (and us...) at some point.
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Inhalaattori
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Tampere, Finland
Jul 2003
time: 07:29
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The new 7 Civs should be, (when we look at the history).
Portugese (they had Brasil, many parts of Africa and also many parts of Asia (etc. some parts of India))
Ethiopians (has had some kind of independence for God knows how long, unlike many other african states)
Hitties (were the first nation to use iron)
Dutch (had Indonesia, colonies in Americas)
Polish (had a great state in the Middle- Ages)
Mayans (great buildings, good level of astronomy and mathematics)
Incans (had a huge empire)
And Iroquois shouldnt be in the game. (they had like 20 000 - 30 000 people, no real cities
(Best nation from Nort America would be Anazasis, they had real cities and Civilization in the eleventh century, in southern USA)
By the way Garthago had been found by Phoenicians
(thats a good reason why they are not in the game)
Garthago was a great power, it had territories in Spain, Northern Africa and Sicily. (... just because someone said that Garthago shouldn be in the game)
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Vince278
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The Iroquois were probably meant to be representative of all North American tribes. Not a bad choice though, one of them did create an alphabet and writing for their language.
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Mad Bomber
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Columbus, Ohio
Nov 2002
time: 00:29
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Originally posted by Inhalaattori
The new 7 Civs should be, (when we look at the history).
Portugese (they had Brasil, many parts of Africa and also many parts of Asia (etc. some parts of India)) |
True, but another european civ?
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Ethiopians (has had some kind of independence for God knows how long, unlike many other african states) |
Nubia was a very powerful civ in the ancient age.
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Hitties (were the first nation to use iron) |
Hebrews would be a better fit as they have a more distinguished culture from the rest of the Mesopotamian region.
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Dutch (had Indonesia, colonies in Americas) |
One colony in the Americas which they sold to britain in the 17th century, see comments on portugal
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Polish (had a great state in the Middle- Ages) |
No problem with the Poles.
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Mayans (great buildings, good level of astronomy and mathematics)
Incans (had a huge empire) |
Both of these should be in the game, but what about the Toltecs?
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And Iroquois shouldnt be in the game. (they had like 20 000 - 30 000 people, no real cities
(Best nation from Nort America would be Anazasis, they had real cities and Civilization in the eleventh century, in southern USA) |
Iroquois at its height in the 17th century encompassed Western New York, Northern Pennsylvania, & Most of the Ohio Valley, with a population of 250,000.
A better argument could be made for the Sioux.
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By the way Garthago had been found by Phoenicians
(thats a good reason why they are not in the game)
Garthago was a great power, it had territories in Spain, Northern Africa and Sicily. (... just because someone said that Garthago shouldn be in the game) |
Both Cathago and Phonecia were both greek colonies as was Rome. Eventually all three developed apart from their parent Civ and became a distinct cultures.
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Civmonopolis
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I picked the Ethiopians for the civ I wanted, but it was so hard to pick because I wanted the Polands and the Hebrews to be a new civ also. I just thought it would be interesting how they would make the Ethiopian civ that's all.
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Yahweh Sabaoth
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The Heavens
Dec 2002
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by Jarouik
If Conquests is really adding two civs to Americas, two to Europe and two to Middle East, the remaining one should be located in Africa, since there is the most space and the only sub-Saharan civilization in *any* Civ game *ever* has been the Zulu.
Therefore I vote Nubia, Mali or Ethiopia. (I would like Khmer included as well, I actually added them to my Civ2 rules myself, but there's no room in Conquests.) |
Those are all excellent suggestions, but I'd like to add the Berbers, a people who are still around and notable in their interactions with many of the Civs in the current game (especially the Arabs, Spanish, French, Romans and Carthaginians)
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Yahweh Sabaoth
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The Heavens
Dec 2002
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by muxec
Why Hebrews should be added.
Historical: Israel defeated other nations already included in the game (Arabs, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks)
Legal: If they include some strange minor races that nobody know them (Hittetes, never heard befor) and throw us away, it's pure antisemitism. |
Normally I take the "other side" of this argument, saying that Judaism alone is reason enough to include Israel, but I must object: Hittites as a "strange minor race"? As an atheist of Irish desent, I might say that the Hebrews are just as "strange and minor". The Hittites had a major impact on the ancient world and are a welcome addition.
Now that both the Hittites and Sumerians have been added, what's in question is the Babylonians, in my view... it's like having the "New Yorkers" as a civilization (not that I wouldn't love to see that )
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Yahweh Sabaoth
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The Heavens
Dec 2002
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by muxec
Maybe it worth to merge Persians into Arabs from PTW? |
No, the Persians are quite distinct... they are intended to represent the ancient Persians, the Mazdaists... the Persians and the people of Iranian are ethnically similar but culturally, and historically, quite different, and the ancient Persians interacted with, and had a major impact on (or were impacted by) the Greeks, the Romans, the Babylonians, the Indians, and the Arabs, and later on (as "Iran"), the Mongols, the Turks, the Russians, the English, etc.
It's too bad that 31 civs is hardcoded.  Everyone's suggestions around here are valid. There should be room for all these civs. Someday...
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30-07-2003 02:03
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People don't know exact numbers and never will, but 1-2 is ridiculously low.
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