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Az is offline Az
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Michael Jackson comes out against locking up music pirates
Agence France-Presse
Los Angeles, July 22

Pop superstar Michael Jackson on Monday hit out at a proposed US law that would make music piracy on the Internet punishable by a jail sentence.

The self-styled "King of Pop" feels that, while he would like to see the practice of stealing music off the Internet stamped out, the legislation against the downloading of copyrighted material was too harsh.

"I am speechless about the idea of putting music fans -- mostly teenagers -- in jail for downloading music," he said in a statement from his Neverland Ranch in the western state of California.

"It is wrong to illegally download, but the answer cannot be jail. Here in America we create new opportunities out of adversity, not punitive laws, and we should look to new technologies ... for solutions.

"This way, innovation continues to be the hallmark of America. It is the fans that drive the success of the music business," the "Gloved One" said.

Jackson's spokesman in Los Angeles said the 44-year-old singer felt that lawmakers are tackling the problem in the wrong way in the proposed law.

US lawmakers on July 16 introduced into the House of Representatives the Authors, Consumer and Computer Owner Protection and Security law that makes illegal downloading of copyrighted materials a felony offence.

But while the illegal downloading of music does represent a major problem for the ailing industry, Jackson feels the solution proposed by the legislation is "absolutely inappropriate," Backerman said.

"He doesn't want to see jails piled up with teenagers. He is proposing a win-win situation for both the audience and the music fans," he said.

Jackson, who has seldom been out of the gossip pages this year amid a series of very public lawsuits against him, is himself a victim of the music industry's declining fortunes that it blames largely on musical piracy.

His superstar image has waned since his 1980s heyday, with sales of 2001's "Invincible," which reportedly cost $30 million to produce, pulled in only around $5 million worldwide.

The US music industry blames the easy and free availability of download-able music on the Internet for plunging record sales which have prompted industry bosses to urgently seek to crack down on piracy.



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The sooner these losers start offering cheap downloads to everyone, the sooner people will actually want to buy their product. Alienating your users is a really dumb way to proceed. The legal costs of bankrupting teens will be enormous.

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i agree with agathon on this.

mainly because it's not as political as other things and views he has.

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The sooner these losers start offering cheap downloads to everyone, the sooner people will actually want to buy their product. Alienating your users is a really dumb way to proceed. The legal costs of bankrupting teens will be enormous.


I've heard about this great shop that lets you download songs for like two cents, or something. Is this true?

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i agree with agathon on this.

mainly because it's not as political as other things and views he has.


Silence, you petty-bourgeois!!!

Agathon is offline Agathon
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I've heard about this great shop that lets you download songs for like two cents, or something. Is this true?


No idea. I've heard that Amazon is going to sell downloads on the same model as Apple's Store, which will be available for Windows in a few months and in Canada in about 100 years.

The guy to ask is Drake Tungsten who has bought quite a bit of stuff from the Apple Store. He seems to think it's OK.

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so Windows peons only get it in a couple of months? sigh.

This is a truely fair and just solution.

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The is much opportunity for the record companies and MP3/OGG. Most stuff you download is in the region of 96-128 kb/s, whereas cd quality is closer to 512 kb/s. Tracks offered at higher quality is always good, also possibility of videos etc. Perhaps subscription services.

Record companies make much of their money through merchandise, which will most likely only increase. Bundle cheap albums with the associated crap like books, photos, hoodies etc and that way they can increase sales.

My position is that if they cannot adopt to changes in the market, tech changes that affect the dynamic of their market (mp3 possibly reducing their potential market, as opposed to stealing... a notion here that is fundamentally and economically flawed), then they will die out. If they adapt to it and embrace, they will thrive. That is the way business works.

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actually, half of the price of the CD goes to retail. so that's already quite the save. They could drastically cut prices if they offered it on the web for download.

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The is much opportunity for the record companies and MP3/OGG. Most stuff you download is in the region of 96-128 kb/s, whereas cd quality is closer to 512 kb/s. Tracks offered at higher quality is always good, also possibility of videos etc.

a) you can easily download higher quality mp3/ogg files, or rip them yourself.
b) after 128 kb/s, you reach a point of diminishing returns, where higher and higher bitrates return less and less quality that's discernable over both regular speakers and to the average individual.
c) along with the less discernable improvements in quality, there's the issue of storage. larger files take up roughly twice the space for much less than half the quality improvement. furthermore, larger files are killer to download on dialup.

conclusion: tracks offered at higher quality aren't necessarily all that good.
for mp3s, 128kb/s, 160kb/s, 192kb/s or good vbr is the way to go. anything higher and you won't really notice it, unless you have an exceptional ear or you have some exceptional sound card-speaker setup... the latter's more likely, and since if you have that situation you'd probably be well-off, you'd naturally be able to buy the cds instead of downloading specific tracks.

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oh, and i still don't like new michael jackson much.

Az is offline Az
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I've got a good ear, and I hardly enjoy 128kbps music less than CD quality.

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Jacko is smart, but still a child-raping whacko.

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Oh, come on . Having lots of prepubescent children half-naked in your bed is good, clean fun.

Anyway, I'm glad he's right on one thing. Maybe he'll put his money where his mouth and start offering up his music for cheap.

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why do you hate paedophiles?

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buymusic.com has basically opened a copycat of the itunes store, offering songs for 79 cents each.

On closer inspection it doesn't seem such a good deal though. Don't these twits ever learn. Here's what's wrong.

1. You have to use IE and Windows Media Player. Other browsers are prohibited. There's no mac version (as if we care; we have the iTMS).

2. While some songs are 79 cents far more are 99 cents and some go up to $1.49.

3. The DRM is terrible. You can download your music on to one computer only, and when that computer goes, so does your music (the iTMS allows you to have your music on three computers and you can transfer it to new ones by deauthorizing the old ones). This is completely objectionable since people change computers every two to three years.

4. The DRM varies from song to song. Some allow unlimited burns and transfers to players, others have limited burns and transfers (in the iTMS all burns and transfers to players are unlimited). Keeping track of all these will be a nightmare.

5. The web based interface is completely stupid (what's wrong with one music management app that does it all).

6. On the bright side it works with a few different players (including Asher's favourite) whereas the iTMS only works with the ipod.

7. They call it "buymusic" but you don't you merely license it, and they hold all the cards.

Why on earth these people couldn't have swung the same deal as Apple is beyond me. I guess these people trust Jobs more since he owns a major content provider (Pixar).

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I don't think that it should be a felony offense. The government should stay out of this. However, it is completely OK to sue people for distributing files illegally. The thing is, you don't actually buy the music, you buy a license to listen to the music. The license allows you to do certain things (such as transfer it), but not others (such as reproduce it and give it to another person). Thus, if you do something forbidden by the license, it's contract violation.

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did I mention I love Michael Jackson

He just increased his reputation by me. I will ingnore the baby dangling and the sleepig with children.

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Maybe he'll put his money where his mouth and start offering up his music for cheap.


I don't think artists have any control over prices. That's sleazy big boss RIAA territory, IIRC.

Michael might be smart, but this isn't going to help his pedophile rapist image.

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I don't think artists have any control over prices. That's sleazy big boss RIAA territory, IIRC.


Reminds me of a few years ago, when the Offspring decided they were going to release their new album as a free download on their website. Sony (their label) objected and sued the band to stop this. The Offspring countersued, and things got messy. This threatened to delay the release date for the album, so both sides eventually settled and the Offspring offered just the 1st single for download on their site.

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The guy to ask is Drake Tungsten who has bought quite a bit of stuff from the Apple Store. He seems to think it's OK.


I don't know if two songs counts as "quite a bit of stuff", but I was quite happy with how the system worked on my purchase. Very simple, very professional, very cool.

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Michael Jackson is a freak and he will win nobody's heart or mind no matter what he says.

Agathon is dumb.

Case closed.

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Fez, couldn't you have stood up in support for your fellow gay instead?

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Fez, couldn't you have stood up in support for your fellow gay instead?


I don't support people who have a resemblence to apes from Planet of the Apes. And I don't support pedophiles either... they should be taken to prison and shot.

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Nah, shooting is so inhumane. Helecopter ejection is much better,

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Nah, shooting is so inhumane. Helecopter ejection is much better,



Too bloody expensive. Gas isn't worth it. Besides this is one of the few things I agree with the Chinese on.

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