22-07-2003 18:23									#1
	I think I might have a new favorite book... Terry Goodkind is amazing! Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I just finished reading faith of the fallen........ wow.

The first 2/3rd's of the book were good, I liked it alot like all his word, the last third..... wow.





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I dont know WHAT it was that made it so great, but EVERY aspect of the latter parts of the book was awsome. From Nicci's bizzare inner conflict, to the guy screaming "WE BELONG TO OURSELVES, WE ARE NO ONES SLAVES!!!!", proboably one of the most heartfelt dialouges I've ever read. In the following free for all between a million citizens and a couple thousand gaurds, in my mind's eye I could "hear" and see the battle going on as Richard talks to some of the other characters.......














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All I can say is WOW and if you didnt like the earlier sword of truth books, as some people didnt, you will LOVE Faith of the Fallen....... Goodkind had kinda fallen into "well we killed this evil, but now we fight the REAL ultimate evil, oh that wasent it, it turns out THIS was it etc" syndrome, but he more then redeamed himself in this one! I'm off to Barnes and Nobles to buy the next one LOL!

	22-07-2003 18:31									#2
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Yeah Faith of the Fallen, is one of the better ones. The next one apparently is written from an outside perspective, not from that of Richard and Kahlan.

Although I have to say, I did go through a stage of buying a SoT book every week, and reading it non-stop. Then realising a) I'd spent about £42 on them, and b) they were all really fat, and there wasn't actually room on my bookcase for them all.
I'm leaving it a while before I get Pillars of Creation

	22-07-2003 18:43									#3
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I found one mistake in the book though heh!

Kahlahan said she saw stone cutters at the palace of prophets who made lardo, and were from that guys homeland....... impossible: The valley of spells or whatever wasent cleaned yet, so there is no way menial stone cutters could of made such a journey LOL!

	22-07-2003 19:07									#4
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Except by boat...

	22-07-2003 19:39									#5
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I honestly didn't figure out Mr. Goodkind's political agenda until the final book of the series (where he kinda goes right out into the open with it). I didn't expect to find it in a fantasy series, so it kinda caught me by surprise.

Then I read the "about the author" blurb at the back and it all made sense.

-Arrian

	22-07-2003 19:42									#6
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What the whole "communism is evil, capitalism rules" thing? Yeah, that was out of the blue and would have been better if he hadn't done it quite so blatantly, it was vaguely insulting. Still, good reads and I especially like the whole S&M Sub/Dom angle.

	22-07-2003 19:43									#7
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I read the first two and thought they were ok (when they were new in fact)

than I read some better books

now I wonder how I ever finished them

the later ones were even worse

Jon Miller

	22-07-2003 19:47									#8
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Thanks for reminding me, I forgot that I have the most recent one, but havent read it yet.

	22-07-2003 19:48									#9
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I got quite into them. Mindless fun and they were long which is good, 'cause it puts off me having to find another book to read for a day or so.

	22-07-2003 19:49									#10
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yah, that was why I was into them in the beggining

I read the first two 9 times...

Jon Miller

	22-07-2003 19:58									#11
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Er... well I enjoyed them but I wouldn't read them more than once.

	22-07-2003 20:24									#12
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quote: What the whole "communism is evil, capitalism rules" thing? Yeah, that was out of the blue and would have been better if he hadn't done it quite so blatantly, it was vaguely insulting.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I wasn't insulted... but a bit disappointed. He turns Richard into a Randian Superman, almost.

If I want to read an endictment of communism, I can read Animal Farm.

-Arrian

	23-07-2003 04:59									#13
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I didnt mind........ I figured out in book 3 about the whole communism vs capitalism thing immediatly, he does make some good points though, and im not so sure about the superiority of socialism as I one was.

	23-07-2003 18:02									#14
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Just watch a couple of episodes of Star Trek to remind yourself.

	23-07-2003 19:49									#15
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I have enjoyed most of the Sword of Truth series but Pillars of creation was actually a huge dip in form.

No spoilers here as some of you have not read it but he simply didn't manage to sell to me that anyone could be quite as stupid and gullible as the heroine - and his anti communism message is getting very stale for me.

	23-07-2003 20:04									#16
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Wow, I was going to ask about this author, as I haven't really read any fantasy outside of the Dragonlance stuff. Yet, on Saturday I picked up The Wizard's First Rule (book 1, sword of truth) and am, so far, enjoying it. I am glad to see some positive feedback.

Also, the communism bad, capitalism good thing will only make the book more enjoyable for me, as that is how I feel too... , I am only page 150ish, but can already see it...

	23-07-2003 20:51									#17
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The communism stuff dosent come in till book 3

	23-07-2003 21:42									#18
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Japher, I would also recommend "The Deaths Gate Cycle" which was written by Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman (they wrote Dragonlance stuff). 7 books. Good stuff, even if there is some serious Deus Ex Machina toward the end (it's fantasy, who cares?).

-Arrian

	23-07-2003 22:22									#19
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death's gate cycle was ok

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 22:42									#20
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quote: The communism stuff dosent come in till book 3

are you sure?

Anyway.

Yeah, the only reason I got the book was because Borders didn't have the Foundation Series!!! I was subtly amused by that.

What is Deus Ex Machina ?

	23-07-2003 22:50									#21
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The Order isnt mentioned till book 3, though the communism isnt REALLY brought up till 4......

	23-07-2003 23:01									#22
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Japher,

Yeah, the "Imperial Order" doesn't show up until later. They're the commies.

As for Deus Ex Machina (I hope I spelled it right), it means "God in the Machine." Simply put, if the writer sets up a situation where there is no way out - no way to win, and *poof* brings in something rather random to "fix" it...

Do you know your Tolkein? He uses the Eagles to save characters at critical times (Gandalf, Frodo & Sam).

-Arrian

	23-07-2003 23:06									#23
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I SO want to read Broken Empires right now......

Im broke though, dont have $20.00 to go buy the book though

Anyone know if it has come out on e-book, and if its cheaper?

I think I may end up sitting in a barnes and nobles and reading the entire book in one of their cumfy chairs LOL!

	23-07-2003 23:20									#24
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I've got a friend who has read the entire last two R. Jordan books in the bookstore...

	23-07-2003 23:38									#25
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quote: I've got a friend who has read the entire last two R. Jordan books...

Poor bastard. The agony! (I gave up after 7 or 8)

At least he didn't pay for 'em.

-Arrian

	23-07-2003 23:39									#26
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I know, I couldn't get through the 3rd one... he loves them though...

	23-07-2003 23:40									#27
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they are better than Goodkind

Jon Miller

	23-07-2003 23:43									#28
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I disagree, Milla. At least Goodkind has a point and eventually gets to it.

Jordan is ridiculous. He's the fantasy writer version of a spambot.

-Arrian

	24-07-2003 00:07									#29
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quote: He's the fantasy writer version of a spambot.

I rather liked the first 2 Wheel of Time books, it was just that by the end of the third (or at least 2/3 of the way through) I felt the story began to leg... from what I have been told from my friends who have forced themselves through all of it, it never got any better.

	24-07-2003 00:38									#30
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I just finished pillars of creation. It is an interesting read, and quite different from the others. get it and read it!!!