22-07-2003 20:22									#1
	Operation Iroquios Freedom Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I know I am not the SMC but I have some issues with how our battle plans have been drawn up.

My main concern is the Division C(the one parked outsid Centralia). It consists of 1 Sword, 2 Spear, 4 Archers and 1 Elite Archer. This stack will most likely be facing two fortified Spearmen ON A HILL. Why is it the the majority of the force, that is going to be fighting against a hill, Archers?

My second concern is after the upgrades, we will have a HUGE stack of Swords ready to attack St.Regis (I'll call it Division S). This will be the most powerful division we have. It will also be the most useless. It will most surly be able to take out its initial goal, but what next?

Division A (going for Allegheny...see the pattern?) will be our most useful. Currently at a strength of 2 spear, 3 sword and an Elite Archer (with another sword comming there in two turns). Allegheny will get smashed and we will take it. After that, the stack can continue up to the falls and attack the city on the fifth turn of the war. Ieven if we take heavy losses at Allegheny we should march on. Because the more cities we threaten when we sue for peace, the easier it would be to get those cities in the deal.

What is our goal in this war? Tech obviously. But what cities? I think, with the Army that we have, we can take Centralia, St.Regis and Allegheny. Niagara Falls might also be able to be taken. If we press our forces on ward, I think we could get Oil Springs and Towanda in the peace negotiations (see if they would give us Niagara Falls and the other two on turn 5, if they won't, take Niagara and see if they will give just the the other two).

	23-07-2003 13:49									#2
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I doubt they will give us both techs and cities by only taking 3 cities. They're the #1 nation in the world, 3 cities will hardly scratch them. My idea was to have the army which takes St. Regis move NE to support the follow-up to Allegheny.

Division C IMO has no major objectives other than Centralia...

I'm going to take a good look at the latest save and propose something tomorrow...

	23-07-2003 18:36									#3
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Just to keep myself straight let's name them all the same as has been in chats...

Base Camp 3 (C) only objective is Centralia, I believe.
Base Camp 2 (S) is our primary attack after the initial three cities. The warriors need to be upgraded, this was the most logical place
Base Camp 1 (A) I agree is best initial stack.

	23-07-2003 20:29									#4
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this is from an earlier set of orders, but is the general game plan I am following....

quote: General War Plans: All archers except the two elites in Bergin are to report to Hunting Camp. All swords (except 2) are to report to Trond. Once the iron is pillaged, all cities with barracks are requested to start construction of warriors. I am requesting approximately 30 warriors (of which, only 20 or so shall be upgraded at this time). Until the iron is pillaged, I request all cities to start production of spearmen. All cities shall have one spear and one warrior as garrison, or if not enough spears are available, all interior cities (no chance of having an enemy strike on the first couple of turns) shall have 2 warriors and the outer cities 1 or 2 spears and the balance filled in with warriors. In order to keep production in size 3 cities, we need two defensive units. I will strip cities less then size 3 as appropriate, so plan accordingly. I have no plans of fortifying cities that are culture flip risks (such as OPD’s Lunch) at this time beyond the 2 units, as we need as many units to march north. Odin’s wall (the mountains to the east of our capitol) shall have spearmen and/or warriors guarding them to prevent unwanted intrusion of our lands. The problem I foresee with this plan is that we will be loosing quite a bit of money per turn in upkeep until we get some more cities. Please advise if this appears to be too great a burden and is unworkable. As we are currently at +26, I don’t think it will be. Objectives of the attack – we wish to neutralize (or at least severely damage) the Iroq holdings and to get a luxury for ourselves. We shall take the following cities – Centrala, Oil Springs, St. Regis, Allegheny and Niagara Falls (our primary objective). Depending on our remaining forces, we shall attempt to either continue the war or shall make peace for as many as possible cities to the West of Niagara Falls. (I would prefer to take out the Ottomans at this point and then finish off the Iroq later). The plan of attack - All archers except two elites are to report to Hunting Camp as garrison units are created and can replace them. A stack consisting of all archers, 2 swords and 4 spears (two spears and 2 warriors may suffice instead of 4 spears – it is nice to have wants so I list my wants and will deal with actualities as they arrive) will march east and take the city of Centrala. Then, leaving two defenders the remaining units shall march on Oil Springs. The two scouts, Odin and Thor, shall be stationed in this western front and shall looking for enemy workers and settlers that may be worth diverting the Western Army to take (we need slaves) as well as for a possible counterattack. On the east, two armies will form, each with an elite archer (to try and get a GL as opportunity arrises), 8-10 swords, and as many spare spears as possible. They one will march due north and take St. Regis. The second will march along the mountains and take Allegheny. The St Regis force (Army Central) will march due north to reinforce Army West and take on any counterattacks directly. Army East shall march to take Allegheny, and then after leaving appropriate defenders, march north to take Niagara Falls. At this point we will be approximately 15 turns into the start of the war, and can make peace on our terms. Once war begins, our cities should be focusing on producing defensive units to backfill our lands, allowing the existing warrior garrisons to be upgraded and called up from reserves to replace losses. Next: Ottomans and their horses!