23-07-2003 20:40									#31
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I think they got off lightly. A few round of gunfire to the chest and head is much better than what would have happened to them if they were captured alive. You did them a favour.

	23-07-2003 20:40									#32
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Of course, we are occupying a country after fighting an aggressive war against the country (for the record, with little international support, not that I think that's all that relevant). So why shouldn't they snipe at US troops? I'm sure you'd do the same if someone was occupying the US.

Go ahead and join them, Davey.

	23-07-2003 20:40									#33
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Why killing the Uruk-Hai?

edit: because it brings XP.

	23-07-2003 20:46									#34
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Wait - isnīt there a way to blame France for it?

With the introduction of French troops, the Iraqi people would have seen the true international flavour of their liberation. They then would have convinced Udai and Qusay to negotiate a nice little retirement on the French Med. and peace would reign.

(Just kidding.)

	23-07-2003 21:00									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen I know they are both proboably 2 of the eviliest bastards in the world, we should of still put em on trial if we could........ It is REDICULOUS to say "we had to kill them or they would of killed us!". We set up a perimiter and keep em in the house, how the hell do you get shot then?

Are you really this ****ing stupid? Gee, a lone house in the desert, nothing within 20 miles, flat as a pancake, perfect visibility everywhere for miles... Yes, you see, it wasn't in Mosul, it was in a dry lake bed in the desert with nothing else around, so we knew that there were only four people there, and nobody else in the neighborhood, and we could even cater a picnic there while we waited...

	23-07-2003 21:05									#36
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they knew it was all about the oil so they had to be killed

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	23-07-2003 21:34									#37
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i like how before this incident, it was in vogue to spell their names Uday and Qusay, but now it's in vogue to spell them Odai and Qusai.

	23-07-2003 21:35									#38
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quote: Go ahead and join them, Davey.

Hardly the point.

	23-07-2003 21:38									#39
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No more "Pump up the bass, Qusay!"

	23-07-2003 21:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed i like how before this incident, it was in vogue to spell their names Uday and Qusay, but now it's in vogue to spell them Odai and Qusai.

Now it's Dead and Deader.

	23-07-2003 21:39									#41
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Hardly the point.

Not like you had one.

	23-07-2003 21:40									#42
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Well, you're trying to say we should have killed the two because they might have caused people to shoot at US soldiers (among other reasons), and I'm saying "Why shouldn't they do that?"

	23-07-2003 21:40									#43
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The thread author probably considers American soldiers to be dehumanized playthings that should die, since we invaded a country wtihout Kofi leading the charge. And sees Udai and such as sympathetic.

	23-07-2003 21:43									#44
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Well, you're trying to say we should have killed the two because they might have caused people to shoot at US soldiers (among other reasons), and I'm saying "Why shouldn't they do that?"

No, I'm saying those two little ****suckers had the choice to surrender or die - we're not obligated to **** around with them, or anyone else. And if Iraqis want to end up dead taking potshots at us, then they can do that too.

As far as why they should or shouldn't, most of 'em are smart enough to figure they have better things to do with their lives. It's not like they had any say in running their country in the first place, and not like we're going to annex the place and put another star on the flag, so most Iraqis with some measure of brains will get on with their lives.

	23-07-2003 21:44									#45
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i like those assumptions you make, gp.

	23-07-2003 21:47									#46
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MtG again misses the point.

Oh well, I'm not going to turn this into a threadjack. My first post was pretty much on topic, but any further ones will drift, I'm sure.

	23-07-2003 21:48									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed i like those assumptions you make, gp.

Meaning you think they show the author's thinking? Or meaning that this is your thinking?

	23-07-2003 21:49									#48
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Get lost Mitty.

	23-07-2003 21:53									#49
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Because it was more politically convienient for them to die.

	23-07-2003 21:53									#50
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I wouldn't like to see these guys turned into some sort of heros who valiantly resisted the infidels for 2 months. Who would come to their rescue? Maybe some of those people who have been ambushing soldiers? It's possible they would have slipped away.

Soldiers are not police they are soldiers and they are trained to go in and eliminate the problem.

	23-07-2003 22:07									#51
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Three things.

1) I can't believe the question has to be asked.
2) I can't believe it warranted any discussion.
3) Good riddance to murdering bastards.

	23-07-2003 22:17									#52
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Slow,

1) No, it doesn't have to be asked. The answer is fairly self-evident.
2) Not everyone sees it as self evident.
3) As much as I want to disagree with you on every possible issue, I can't quite disagree with you there.

	23-07-2003 22:24									#53
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quote: 1) I can't believe the question has to be asked. 2) I can't believe it warranted any discussion. 3) Good riddance to murdering bastards.

	23-07-2003 23:05									#54
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The way the battle was described on TV news:

Troops got the tip and surrounded the building: a long gun battle started: according to sources 4 US soldiers were wounded. After the long battle, it was decided to attack the building with missiles. 10 TOW were launched against the Mansion, which is what is believed to have killed the 3 adults in the House. Soldiers then went into the house, where they met resistance: they fired at the person shooting at them and killed him, the him being Qusay's 14 year old son (it might have been Uday's).

My guess is then that there were more than 2 AK's in the house.

	23-07-2003 23:10									#55
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This discussion is idiotic.

	23-07-2003 23:11									#56
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cuz the marines were there! hooorah!

	23-07-2003 23:12									#57
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They were fighting back, and were of paramount military importance.

	23-07-2003 23:33									#58
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It's a whole lot easier to dance on someone's grave when they are actually dead!

	23-07-2003 23:44									#59
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The simple answer to the question: they didn't surrender.

quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat I was wondering how long it would be before the Lima Delta's crawled out of the woodwork to whine about why we killed a couple of mass murderers, torturers and all around thugs who decided to hole up and fight it out.

I'd rather see them playing butt bongo with Bubba in a cell (and washing his laundry) for the next several decades. But to each his own.

	24-07-2003 00:01									#60
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With the only choices being attack or siege, attack is the clear answer . Why give any remaining Saddam loyalists a focal point ? Why stand around impotently because they refuse to come out?

If they had disarmed and come out I would have hoped for their execution after proper trials--However I am relieved that there will be no such trial to serve as another rallying point for any Saddam loyalists-- It was quick and now its over.