24-07-2003 10:26									#1
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If somebody could post it, that would be great.

	24-07-2003 13:02									#2
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The table is in the manual, but I have it only at home. I suppose I will bring it someday if anyone else does not post it sooner.

	24-07-2003 19:27									#3
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Like the Create Artifact spell? I've been able to get it with ten books of Chaos. I think it's an arcane spell that's not linked to spell books, though I may be wrong about that.

	25-07-2003 01:06									#4
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I'm guessing it would have to be arcane, seeing as Artificer doesn't require a specific school.

	25-07-2003 01:12									#5
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Here's a cut-and-paste from the manual. It's a mess, but should contain the info you're looking for.

SPELL-SPECIFIC ARTIFACT ENCHANTMENTS
Enchantment Required Magic Weapon Armor Miscellaneous Effect If Not Same as
Realm and Rank Spell*
Bless Life 2 - Yes Yes
Endurance Life 2 - Yes Yes
Holy Avenger Life 3 All but staff - - Protection from Evil and
& wand Dispel Evil
Invulnerability Life 5 - Yes Yes
Lion Heart Life 6 - - Yes
Planar Travel Life 5 All but staff - Yes
& wand
Righteousness Life 4 - Yes Yes
True Sight Life 6 - - Yes
Cloak of Fear Death 2 - Yes Yes
Death Death 3 All - - Save at -3 or die
Power Drain Death 4 All - - Opponent wizard loses
2 to 20 mana
Vampiric Death 5 All but bow, staff - - Life Drain spell
& wand
TABLE M
Wraithform Death 4 - Yes Yes
Chaos Chaos 6 All but wand - - Wielder is at half attack
strength, but the attack
allows no defense;
i.e., it does damage
automatically
Destruction Chaos 5 All - - Opponent must resist or
be disintegrated
Flaming Chaos 2 All - - +3 attack strength
Lightning Chaos 5 All - - Armor Piercing
Elemental Armor Nature 4 All Yes Yes
Giant Strength Nature 3 All but staff, bow - - +2 attack strength
& wand
Pathfinding Nature 3 - - Yes
Petrifying Nature 2 All - - Opponent must resist at
-1 or be stoned
Regeneration Nature 6 - - Yes
Resist Elements Nature 2 All Yes Yes
Waterwalking Nature 2 - - Yes
Flight Sorcery 3 - - Yes
Guardian Wind Sorcery 3 All but staff, bow & wand Yes Yes
Haste Sorcery 7 All but staff & wand - -
Invisibility Sorcery 5 - - Yes
Magic Immunity Sorcery 5 All Yes Yes
Phantasmal Sorcery 6 All - - Illusory Attack
Resist Magic Sorcery 2 All Yes Yes
Note that “saves” decrease the target’s ability to resist the spell by 10% per -1 point specified.
Enchantment Required Magic Weapon Armor Miscellaneous Effect If Not Same as
Realm and Rank

	25-07-2003 01:27									#6
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That's the requirements to enchant artifacts with specific spells but not what's required to use the enchant artifacts spell itself. The more I think about it the more positive I am that this is a nonbook related speel. Aren't the spells randomized so that you can't get the same ones every time unless you have all spell books in a school or select it as guaranteed from the beginning? Maybe that game you just didn't pull Enchant Artifact.

	25-07-2003 04:43									#7
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It is arcane, everybody is able to cast it.

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	25-07-2003 11:44									#8
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dave: ah cool thanks

to everybody else: the possible enchants you can put on a created item depend on the number of spellbooks you have in a given realm.

	26-07-2003 04:50									#9
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It wasn't clear enough from your initial post.

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some of these i haven't tried...are death, petrify and destruction good?

Is vampiric as good as life drain?

	28-07-2003 12:31									#11
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I personally like the Chaos mods - Lightning and Chaos are pretty good. I wonder if these mods you mentioned work better with "-spell save" on a staff for example? If they do they can be quite good I suppose ....

	28-07-2003 13:22									#12
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yeah i was wondering that too...however, all the non-mage heros can't use a staff, except aurelius, warrax, and x, and none of them need to get into combat.

i've been messing around with stoning and flaming, they seem pretty good i think. the flaming adds to damage, and stoning seems to work about every 3rd shot from my sage or so.

i think the lifesteal/vampiric should be awesome, if it works as often as the one wraiths have...i like bathru the orc guy, but he just can't do the hard nodes.

	28-07-2003 16:01									#13
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May be we can try stoning or death on the weapon and -spell save on the misc item (it allows up to -4 I think)

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BTW I tried the guardian spirit strategy and it worked well enough for me - boosted taxes, put the pop on trade goods, sold my smithy and barracks (the smithy requires 1 maintainance :-) so with 13 mana and 8 gold per turn I could start ... my city had no specials. After I started I managed to get a lot of mana from capturing locations and neutral cities. For ~30 turns I managed to defeat 2 other wizards. Each of them gave to me about 400 gold. The 3rd managed to kill my spirit but It was my fault I suppose. I should have used bless on it.

	02-10-2003 15:05									#15
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it's a bummer how artifacts you can buy can have better stats than artifacts you can create...

	02-10-2003 22:32									#16
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But have you guys ever seen a plate armour with +8 shields?

You can create those, but not buy those.
The plate armour adds (without defence bonuses) +2 shields - something that the chain mail does not do. That's why the artificier should always create plate-mails for heavy defence purposes (I cannot remember if the additional bonuses -like spells- are different for different armours).

	03-10-2003 05:38									#17
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They are the same aaglo, the only difference is the defense bonus you mentioned.

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	03-10-2003 12:55									#18
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and the initial cost (no magic at all) is greater in plate armour

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quote: Originally posted by aaglo and the initial cost (no magic at all) is greater in plate armour

That's because of the initial +2 defense bonus. There are three types of armor IIRC, the middle armor grants +1 to defense and the initial cost is halfway between the first armor and plate.

For example:

Base armor=100 mp

Chain=150 mp

Plate= 200 mp

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	04-10-2003 15:28									#20
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And get those adamantium weapons!!

I think heros are overrated. They don't beat paladins or black knights now do they?

	05-10-2003 07:05									#21
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my heros slaughter everything. i usually use mage/flying/invis types. hardest probably is sky drakes. i need to have like level 3-4 heroes.