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MrWhereItsAt is offline MrWhereItsAt
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Nov 2001
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After the marathon trading session last turn where we lucked into Currency from a hut, we ended up with gold more than when we started some 2 turns earlier and a basically complete WM.

Here is the status of every civ:

Unless otherwise specifed, we have no deals with any of them.

French
Attitude: Polite
Techs that we don't have: Construction
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 3
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: Silk, Ivory (2 spare)

Mongols
Attitude: Polite
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 6
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Iron
Luxuries they have: Silk, Ivory

Koreans
Attitude: Polite
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 8
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Horses
Luxuries they have: Incense

Iroquois
Attitude: Cautious
Techs that we don't have: Construction
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 2
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Iron (1 spare)
Luxuries they have: Furs (5 spare)

English
Attitude: Cautious
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 3
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: None
Luxuries they have: None

We have a treaty with the English lasting for 19 turns

Carthaginians
Attitude: Cautious
Techs that we don't have: Construction
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 25
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses (1 spare)
Luxuries they have: Dyes, Silks, Gems

Indians
Attitude: Cautious
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 2
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: None

Chinese
Attitude: Cautious
Techs that we don't have: Construction
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 66
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: None

Spanish
Attitude: Cautious
Techs that we don't have: Construction
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 4
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron (1 spare)
Luxuries they have: Incense

Celts
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 14
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: Dyes

Americans
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 13
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: Wine (3 spare)

Aztecs
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 1
Government: Monarchy
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Iron
Luxuries they have: Gems (2 spare)

Romans
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 1
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have:Wine, Dyes

Greeks
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 168
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: None
Luxuries they have: Gems

Egyptians
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 53
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: Incense (3 spares)

Russians
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 31
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Iron
Luxuries they have: Wine

Arabs
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 2
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: Wine, Ivory, Silks (1 spare)

Babylonains
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 0
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Average
Strategic Resources they have: Iron
Luxuries they have: Dyes (1 spare)

Zulus
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 11
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: Silk

Japanese
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 0
Government: Despotism
Our Power (compared to them): Weak (I kid you not!)
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, iron
Luxuries they have: Incense

Persians
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: None
Techs that we have that they don't: Currency
Gold: 8
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Iron
Luxuries they have: Dyes

Germans
Attitude: Annoyed
Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 26
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Weak
Strategic Resources they have: Horses, Iron
Luxuries they have: None[B]

We are currently at war with Germany


Ottomans
Attitude: [B]Furious

Techs that we don't have: Construction, Monarchy Republic
Techs that we have that they don't: None
Gold: 9
Government: Republic
Our Power (compared to them): Strong
Strategic Resources they have: Horses
Luxuries they have: Furs (1 spare)

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Now that the raw facts are done, let's examine options:

There are no good tech deals right now. We do have bags of cash, but we will likely use tonnes of that in the coming war as soon as we reach Monarchy for upgrading and outright buying/rushing. We could buy any of Republic, Construction or Monarchy off a number of civs. Republic is prohibitively expensive and we couldn't use it much. We are 3 turns from Monarchy so buying it is not going to do much for us either. Construction would get us to the next age now, and the cheapest we can get it is from France for 626 gold. If we sold it around to those who don't have it, we can make a maximum of 30 gold - not worth it IMO, even if it gives us the ability to get one step closer to Invention.

Note also that the scientific civs with Construction are certain to also have at least one additional advance from the Medieval Era (Feudalism, Monotheism or Engineering) - these civs are the Ottomans, Greeks, Germans and Russians. Babylon, Korea and Persia will also get such a tech for free when they get Construction.

France, the Mongols and Korea are still polite with us, whereas only the hated Ottomans are furious. We are stronger militarily than the Aztecs, English, Egyptians, Ottomans, Zulus, Mongols, Persians, Spanish and Koreans, which is 9 out of 23 other civs and 3 out of 5 neighbouring civs, so we aren't doing too badly there. This will only increase in our favour as we build more troops, and the Iroquois war will bring us to stronger than 4 of our 5 neighbours by itself.

There are plenty of civs with few resources, and even some with neither Horses nor Iron! It is still early goings however and some of these can get their resources through trades or borders firming up in the near future. The civs with the ability to build their UUs (both tech and resources) are: the Celts, Aztecs, Romans, Greeks, Carthaginians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Zulus and Persians. Early in the Medieval Era Arabia, the Chinese and Indians join their number. The Japanese and Mongols are missing the resource(s) they need for theirs!

Embassies are also of limited use right now, and would become even more confusing for the poor FAM until we cut down on the numbers needed a little :Finnishgrin:

Thus my orders for the coming turns are nothing revolutionary: just keep whoring maps, but now we can do it with the WM for at least a time until we discover some new land. The Galley will be giving us some extra tiles to sell to the others per turn, so sell every turn new sea is discovered until we get to the coast of a new place, then only sell TM again.

I will put up a poll before the term ends on our tech trading options after we have Monarchy. I recommend we go straight towards Construction as Republic will not help us towards our dear Berzerks.

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