25-07-2003 03:54									#1
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Never seen this one before in all my games. I presume it is a random fluke, but thought I'd share it as I always find it interesing to find anomalies in the game.

PTW 1.21f, US version, standard map, all random. Fourteen turns ago I purcahsed a military alliance against the Russians from several civs, including the Babylonians. I had to pay the Babylonians a supply of Gems and 2 gpt in order to keep the Russian units off my back so I could continue with my plans. With six turns to go on the alliance, I checkin in to see how the Babs were doing, and whether they might like to purchase some tech from me. Imagine my surpirse when I could offer them up Gems!

I saved the game and then traded them a source of Gems for their World Map (only to highlight the bug). As a point of reference, there are absolutely no gem supplies anywhere near Babylonian lands, and there has never been a Babylonian city anywhere near the gem supplies in the eastern portion of the minimap -- so Hammurabi could not have secured a gem source after I traded him one as part of the MA and then traded the excess away, only to lose the "excess." Either he traded his sole source of Gems (an import to boot!) which I refuse to believe, or its just an interesting bug (which I believe).

Catt

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	25-07-2003 04:54									#2
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that definately does sound unpredictable. I have never tried, but is it possible to tarde away imports?

	25-07-2003 05:21									#3
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Is your alliance still in effect at that time? I asked as I see the (5) in front of the gems and wonder if that is some limiter?

	25-07-2003 09:04									#4
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Totally off-topic:

Why are you building a granary?

WTF are a Berzerk and an Ansar (?) doing in the middle of your territory?

What's up with all the remaining jungle?

Who did you just hand a can'o whupass to up north?

	25-07-2003 09:08									#5
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Weird.

	25-07-2003 09:08									#6
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that has happened to me before but I believe that it was not on 1.21f but on one of the earlier patches. I've actually done that a few times... seems to pop up at random though.

	25-07-2003 09:53									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Sheik that definately does sound unpredictable. I have never tried, but is it possible to tarde away imports?

Nope.

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Is your alliance still in effect at that time? I asked as I see the (5) in front of the gems and wonder if that is some limiter?

Yup. Still in effect. I was actually checking the diplo screen to see how many turns the deal had left when I noticed I could trade Gems and thought "WTF?"

quote: Originally posted by Theseus Totally off-topic: Why are you building a granary?

Damn city is growing too slowly and I am short of workers (and far too lazy) to irrigate and then go back and mine.

quote: WTF are a Berzerk and an Ansar (?) doing in the middle of your territory?

There used to be a Viking city to the north and the valiant Bererk is looking for spainards to beat up on -- that's a Conquistador coming to introduce himself to the Berzerk -- I left them to wander through my empire.

quote: What's up with all the remaining jungle?

See above - not enough workers. The game was won in the early middle ages, so I didn't exactly focus on playing well -- I played it out from habit and just to watch what the AI's might do.

quote: Who did you just hand a can'o whupass to up north?

Brennus got a bit uppity and decided that he could order me around and I decided to seal my northern border with the exception of the lonely Spanish city - I figured it would flip eventually.

All in all, a very interesting early game. Fairly poor starting terrain, but 4 unique luxuries within REXing distance -- meant a slow start but a rapid uptick in power in early Middle Ages. Could probably have been a cavalry-powered conquest but I decided to play for a "wonder victory" by claiming all the wonders . I built Sistine and think I finished the game with a total of 4 cathedrals

Catt

	25-07-2003 16:02									#8
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Catt, I have seen it before and think I have an explanation for it. I saw this in a current civ3v1.29 (vanilla civ3) when I offered the germans a luxury as part payment for a military alliance, they also got gpt and some cash.

After a while I noticed the same as you did, my luxury was free for trade and the alliance were still working. I think the germans lost the luxury beacause the trade lanes were interrupted(almost gloabal war in the middle age) but the alliance didn't break cause they still had gpt coming. Of course it caused relations to worsen and them accusing me of breaking deals.

	25-07-2003 18:48									#9
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hi ,

, a save of that should be sended to Firaxis , .......

its rare but it has been there from time to time , ......

there is no line in what triggers it , ....

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	25-07-2003 21:45									#10
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I wonder if it is not more common that was supposed? I mean most of the time you would never notice. I seldom make another deal soon after the first one and if I did I may not realize something was wrong.

	26-07-2003 04:12									#11
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I still have some of the saves but I won't be able to look at them the next two weeks

	26-07-2003 20:37									#12
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quote: Originally posted by bongo I still have some of the saves but I won't be able to look at them the next two weeks

hi ,

when you find it , dont only post it on apolyton , send one to firaxis aswell , ....

have a nice day