25-07-2003 18:40									#1
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I don't get it, according to news reports about the 9/11 inquirey, the Saudi government as good as sponsored the attacks of the twin towers. So how come the current US administration is still chummy with em?

some points

Saudi money used to fund the Al Qaeda operation
Saudi intelligence had knowledge of the attack
Saudi citizens carried out the attack
Bin Ladens family is even close to the House of Saud, and OBL himself was considered a national hero in Saudi even before the attacks.

So, conspiracy theorize starting from.... now!

	25-07-2003 18:42									#2
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quote: So how come they current US administration is still chummy with em?

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	25-07-2003 18:44									#3
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But if it was just oil, the US coud'nt have a better excuse to go in there and Regime Change Saudi Arabia directly... (what are the muslims gonna do about it with no Saudi funds?)

	25-07-2003 18:47									#4
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quote: But if it was just oil, the US coud'nt have a better excuse to go in there and Regime Change Saudi Arabia directly... (what are the muslims gonna do about it with no Saudi funds?)

It costs less to just bribe those murdering ****ers into helping us. Imagine the headaches of "regime changing" Saudi Arabia. SA isn't Iraq... you're talking about Mecca... and most of the Muslim holy lands. Unless you want a billion Muslims blowing themselves up (rather than the minority in Al Qaeda,etc); I would leave Saudi Arabia alone.

Believe me, I want those Saudi ****ers gone... but such an endeavor would be a war of civilizations. And would lead to Armageddon, IMO.

I'd much rather see the US become independent in terms of energy production. But it won't happen because the people that are making money from oil are the same people writing our foreign policy.

	25-07-2003 18:50									#5
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	25-07-2003 18:52									#6
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child End of thread.

heh... hey man, the truth hurts, and most Americans don't want to believe that their government supports some very evil people just because its "good" for business.

	25-07-2003 18:54									#7
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it was more about power than anything.

saddam isn't well liked, and weaker.
the saudis are sorta well liked, and stronger.

thus, we go after the weaker one, withdraw our troops from saudi arabia and move them to iraq, so the saudis are more well liked and happier; and we get a friendly base to project power into the middle east.

	25-07-2003 18:55									#8
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The mind boggles as to how the interim post Saud govt would handle the pilgrims.

A lot of pilgrims go there every year. How could US ground forces cope without sparking WW3?

Not an easy puzzle, is it?

	25-07-2003 18:59									#9
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Also, such intervention in SA might spark a more fundamentalist push in Pakistan... and they have the bomb...

	25-07-2003 18:59									#10
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Conspiracy theory number 754,329,567

With Saddam gone and a US supported buffer state between Iran and the arab ME countries the Saudis will be on their own to face internal dissent without external distractions for the muslim radicals whilst the US and allies have a secure oil supply if Saudi goes down.

Helping to pick up the pieces after a country has had a nice bloody civil war is a lot more acceptable than invading.

Objective - a divided arab/muslim world. Objective accomplished!

	25-07-2003 19:03									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed it was more about power than anything. saddam isn't well liked, and weaker. the saudis are sorta well liked, and stronger.

Are you sure they´re liked? When I was in Jordan and Egypt, most people there said the Saudis are arrogant rich bastards. Of course I can´t say how widely these views are shared within the Arab world...

	25-07-2003 19:10									#12
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HOLY MOLY! I have to agree with SAVA, write it down in the books. Mecca is the reason we don't attack Saudi and Saddam of course gave us better reasons that is somewhat palatable to Muslims considering Saddam is the biggest Muslim killer in recent history. I believe our presence in the ME, which this war is about, will quell the ME turmoil against the USA, in years to come, no easy task.

	25-07-2003 19:12									#13
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quote: HOLY MOLY! I have to agree with SAVA, write it down in the books. Mecca is the reason we don't attack Saudi and Saddam of course gave us better reasons that is somewhat palatable to Muslims considering Saddam is the biggest Muslim killer in recent history. I believe our presence in the ME, which this war is about, will quell the ME turmoil against the USA, in years to come, no easy task.

now Defiant and I are going to hold hands and sing, "We are the world!"

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You put a flower in my hair and I will smack you.

	25-07-2003 19:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant You put a flower in my hair and I will smack you.

I might put one somewhere else.

	25-07-2003 19:20									#16
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Iraq is fairly secular. The ability to set up a new government there is far, far easier than it would be in Saudi. The desent in Saudi is very fundamentalist. The monarchy there is willing to make concessions to terrorist in order to avoid a civil war and their own fall from power. Regime change in Saudi has no viable replacement. Not that the replacement in Iraq is easy or obvious, it just brings more opportunity for establishing democracy than Saudi does.

The plan is to try and set up a model democracy that thrives. If this happens, then the hope is that the Saudi people will see the benefits of a free state as opposed to a fundamentalist state. Since the monarchy in Saudi is very in tune with what the Saudi street is thinking, the hope is that one day a constitutional monarchy can be formed peacefully.

To force regime change in the muslim holy land would lead to tremendous violence. Even the oil barons see that this is no good for the bottom line.

	25-07-2003 19:20									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed it was more about power than anything. saddam isn't well liked, and weaker. the saudis are sorta well liked, and stronger. thus, we go after the weaker one, withdraw our troops from saudi arabia and move them to iraq, so the saudis are more well liked and happier; and we get a friendly base to project power into the middle east.

Well, Suadi is the UKs number one customer for arms and munitions... even the US would have to think twice before facing an army equiped with up to date Made in Britain

	25-07-2003 19:23									#18
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The Saudi armed forces would easily fall to American might. This has little to do with the situation

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Now don't, you are making me blush.

	25-07-2003 19:35									#20
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I agree that the primary reasons that we put up with the Saudi's is oil and second that any attempt at removing the current government(I hate the current phrase regime) would be very problimatic considering that the Country hosts two of the most important cites in Islam(Mecca and Medina). Further on the oil question, the United States is less dependant on foreign oil than most of the other Western countries, so I believe its not just us proctecting the Saudi's for own economic security but that of the Western World. I would love to see the current Saudi government gone(and some of those terrorist supporting ***holes in jail or dead) but the current sitution makes that unlikely.

	25-07-2003 20:01									#21
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And not to forget how do you make regimechange in a country where the official royal family numbers 1400(Or something like that)

	25-07-2003 20:11									#22
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quote: Are you sure they´re liked? When I was in Jordan and Egypt, most people there said the Saudis are arrogant rich bastards. Of course I can´t say how widely these views are shared within the Arab world...

compared to saddam, yes.