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I don't believe it when Asher says it, no.


You don't have to take Asher's word for it. It's written in Apple's Terms of Sale

http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/policies.html
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U.S. SALES ONLY
Purchases from the iTunes Music Store are available only in the United States and are not available in any other location. You agree not to use or attempt to use the service from outside of the available territory. Apple may use technologies to verify such compliance.

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It doesn't say that your files will be erased as soon as you leave the country. I'm relatively sure that the woman's files would stayed intact if she had not changed her contact information; how else would Apple know that she had left the United States? Like I said, I'll found out very soon.

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I don't know...maybe they could've checked what ISP she was using?

I'm not really sure how they handle that; if she connected to the iTunes thingemadoodad then they could've found out.

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It doesn't say that your files will be erased as soon as you leave the country. I'm relatively sure that the woman's files would stayed intact if she had not changed her contact information; how else would Apple know that she had left the United States? Like I said, I'll found out very soon.

When she moved to Canada, she had (obviously) changed her credit card address.

iTunes checked the CC address to "validate" her location, realized she no longer lived in the US, and erased the file.

I find it a tad bit ridiculous -- she bought the music when she lived in the US, for christ sake...

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I find it a tad bit ridiculous -- she bought the music when she lived in the US, for christ sake...


Why blame Apple for it? The iTunes Music Store is restricted to the US because that's what the record companies want, not Apple.

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I find it a tad bit ridiculous -- she bought the music when she lived in the US, for christ sake...


Why blame Apple for it? The iTunes Music Store is restricted to the US because that's what the record companies want, not Apple.


How do you know this? Nowhere in the policy does it say "The RIAA is making us do this." Unless other, similar services have the same rule, this would seem to be an unfounded assertion.

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How do you know this?


Because I've read articles on the subject?

The record companies didn't want to allow the lenient DRM standards that Apple had in mind, but they eventually went along with it due to the very limited nature of the iTunes Music Store (only Macs running OS X, only available in America). The record companies are using the iTunes Music Store as an experiment in online retailing; they certainly don't want it becoming a global phenomenon before they can interpret the results and plot their future course of action.

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Asher, don't go blaming everything on Apple. You have made the number one failure--whenever there are three or more evils are at work, the RIAA will be amidst them, and it will be the chief evil.

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Why blame Apple for it? The iTunes Music Store is restricted to the US because that's what the record companies want, not Apple.

The RIAA said the service can only be used in the US -- it said nothing about using products acquired earlier by this service in other countries.

Even Apple's terms of service only say the iTunes music store can be used in the US, it doesn't say anything about you can't play them back outside of the US either.

Apple's not being very open about what they're doing.

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Asher--the RIAA enforces what it means, not what it says. It probably puts the actual songs under the service just to be an *******.

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The RIAA said the service can only be used in the US -- it said nothing about using products acquired earlier by this service in other countries.


Your splitting hairs here. As mrmitchell said, Apple knows what the RIAA meant and they're not going to jeopardize their lucrative stake in the online music business just to prove a point. If the RIAA doesn't want this service to be available outside America, then it isn't going to. They have all the leverage.

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So? If that's what Apple's going to do, it should f*cking say so on their website.

It says nothing about deleting your files and not refunding you if you take it out of the country.

It just says on their website you can't use the iTunes service (which, to 99% of users, would obviously mean the iTunes Music Store they're reading it off of).

Apple needs a lesson on how to be upfront with people.

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It says nothing about deleting your files and not refunding you if you take it out of the country.


Again, I don't think you lose your files if you leave the country. You lose your files if you change your contact information and let Apple know you left the country. I really doubt my files are going to disappear when I move to Japan, because I'm not letting Apple know about the move. Even if I did, I would be sure to backup my files.

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Apple needs a lesson on how to be upfront with people.


Like Microsoft? It took me forever to get rid of the spyware MS put on my computer when I installed Office. Hiding information collection software isn't very upfront, is it?

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Again, I don't think you lose your files if you leave the country. You lose your files if you change your contact information and let Apple know you left the country. I really doubt my files are going to disappear when I move to Japan, because I'm not letting Apple know about the move. Even if I did, I would be sure to backup my files.

It uses your creditcard address to verify. So if you left the country to move somewhere, you update that address. When it validates your files, it realizes you're no longer in the US, so it deletes them.

Backing up your files is kinda useless if every time you run them while you live in another country they delete themselves, no?

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Like Microsoft? It took me forever to get rid of the spyware MS put on my computer when I installed Office. Hiding information collection software isn't very upfront, is it?

Bullshit -- which part of Office is spyware?

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It uses your creditcard address to verify.


Why would it verify your files every time you turn on the computer? That doesn't make sense. It only makes sense to validate a file when it is first played in iTunes.

At any rate, I'll see what happens when I get to Japan. I'm pretty sure you're going to be completely wrong, as usual.

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Bullshit -- which part of Office is spyware?


The Microsoft Database Daemon.

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Why would it verify your files every time you turn on the computer? That doesn't make sense. It only makes sense to validate a file when it is first played in iTunes.

At any rate, I'll see what happens when I get to Japan. I'm pretty sure you're going to be completely wrong, as usual.

I wouldn't be the one completely wrong -- after all, it's this woman who experienced it and Apple's Tech Support that told her why.

I'm just saying there's no reason not to believe Apple Tech Support, Apple's own webpage, and this lady who is obviously quite upset about it.

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The Microsoft Database Daemon.

Huh? No, it's not. What're you talking about?

Provide a link, I'll respond to your nonsense when I return.

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Provide a link, I'll respond to your nonsense when I return.


I'm not finding a link for you. I really don't give a **** if you believe me or not; I found the program and deleted it, so I know it exists.

I noticed that some program was launching without permission at startup, slowing down my boot time. I finally tracked down the program with my "Process Viewer" utility. Caught "Microsoft Database Daemon" turned on and (presumably) sending information back to Redmond. Trashed the program and my system performance improved dramatically. Sounds like spyware to me.

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Panag, you look sleepy. Do you need some coffee or anything? (Or, considering time zones in Belgium Israel, do you need to go to bed?)



hi ,

its france for the moment , yes a cup of coffee would help

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I wouldn't be the one completely wrong -- after all, it's this woman who experienced it and Apple's Tech Support that told her why.

I'm just saying there's no reason not to believe Apple Tech Support, Apple's own webpage, and this lady who is obviously quite upset about it.


Huh? No, it's not. What're you talking about?

Provide a link, I'll respond to your nonsense when I return.


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Change here!</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf >The iTunes music store will soon be available outside of the US, maybe the songs will be playable again at that time.<br /> Apple rules!<br /> <br /> BTW: love my iPod. <img src="/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt=""></font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210340></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Hagbart is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Hagbart</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > Prince </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar17434_4.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Copenhagen, Europe<br> Feb 2002<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/P1/1.html>06:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 26-07-2003 23:39</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210340.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210340.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210340>#51</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210340.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href="/members/__action=makechoice&useridtosub=0&subconfirm=1&usertosub=Unregistered.html">Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf >"BuyMusic.com's big marketing push is songs for 79 cents. But it's a bogus claim. For example, only one song in its Top 100 Downloads section cost 79 cents; all the others had prices from 99 cents to $1.29. [...] <br /> <br /> Here's another example: BuyMusic.com sets strict limits on what you can do with the songs you buy. Most are bound to a single PC, so you're only allowed to listen on one computer, while every song you buy at iTMS can be played on up to three Macs. [...] <br /> <br /> I can't recommend BuyMusic.com to anyone on any platform. Mac users should avoid it. And Windows users will be better off waiting for iTunes for Windows, available later this year."<br /> <br /> from drmac</font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210366></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Agathon is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Agathon</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > Prince </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar25792_40.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Leafs 4TW!! - CPA<br> Dec 2002<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/-5/1.html>00:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 26-07-2003 23:53</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210366.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210366.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210366>#52</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210366.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href="/members/__action=makechoice&useridtosub=0&subconfirm=1&usertosub=Unregistered.html">Remove this text</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf >I posted about this the other day. As usual Asher is selectively telling the truth - when he isn't lying that is. <br /> <br /> The DRM is not Apple's fault. That's what they managed to get out of the record companies who control the rights to the music. I'm sure Apple would have liked even less DRM, but it wasn't their call.<br /> <br /> Now for what Asher didn't tell you.<br /> <br /> Buymusic only allows you to keep your music on one (1) computer. It isn't clear yet, but it seems to be the case that when you get rid of that computer the music is permanently gone.<br /> <br /> The itunes store allows you to keep the music on up to three (3) computers. You can move your music to a new computer if you want and deauthorize the original one. Basically, it's yours for life.<br /> <br /> Buymusic.com restricts your right to burn to CD and transfer to portable players. The amount of times you can do this, or the amount of players differs depending on the record company.<br /> <br /> The itunes music store has one restriction. You cannot burn the same <i>playlist</i> more than 10 times. You can burn any particular song an infinite amount of times if you so wish. You can transfer your music to an unlimited number of ipods (or whatever other players install support for AAC).<br /> <br /> Easy choice really.</font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210392></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Asher is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Asher</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > King </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar4338_20.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Calgary, Alberta<br> Nov 1999<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/-7/1.html>22:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 27-07-2003 00:05</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> <a href="http://asher19.livejournal.com" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/images/homepage.gif" alt="Visit Asher's homepage!" border="0" hspace=5></a> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210392.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210392.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210392>#53</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210392.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href="/members/__action=makechoice&useridtosub=0&subconfirm=1&usertosub=Unregistered.html">Browse Apolyton AD-FREE</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf ><table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font> <font size="1"> Originally posted by Agathon </font><br /> Now for what Asher didn't tell you.<br /> <br /> Buymusic only allows you to keep your music on one (1) computer. It isn't clear yet, but it seems to be the case that when you get rid of that computer the music is permanently gone.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <img src="/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt=""><br /> <a href="http://www.buymusic.com/product.aspx?sku=200548023&loc=18250" target="_blank">http://www.buymusic.com/product.asp...48023&loc=18250</a><br /> And I quote:<br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>Computers - 3 Transfers - unlimited Burns - 3 </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> 3 != 1, no?<br /> <br /> And it's not gone when you remove the computer, WMA's DRM is transferrable.<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>Basically, it's yours for life.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> Provided you don't move to Canada.<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>Buymusic.com restricts your right to burn to CD and transfer to portable players. The amount of times you can do this, or the amount of players differs depending on the record company.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> True. For example, you can only burn MB20's songs to CD 3 times...but you only need to burn it once. <img src="/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt=""><br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>Easy choice really. </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> Indeed, particularly when you blatantly bullshit and use facts and figures from other worlds.</font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210408></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Asher is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Asher</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > King </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar4338_20.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Calgary, Alberta<br> Nov 1999<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/-7/1.html>22:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 27-07-2003 00:09</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> <a href="http://asher19.livejournal.com" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/images/homepage.gif" alt="Visit Asher's homepage!" border="0" hspace=5></a> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210408.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210408.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210408>#54</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210408.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href="/members/__action=makechoice&useridtosub=0&subconfirm=1&usertosub=Unregistered.html">Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf ><table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font> <font size="1"> Originally posted by Drake Tungsten </font><br /> I'm not finding a link for you. I really don't give a **** if you believe me or not; I found the program and deleted it, so I know it exists.<br /> <br /> I noticed that some program was launching without permission at startup, slowing down my boot time. I finally tracked down the program with my "Process Viewer" utility. Caught "Microsoft Database Daemon" turned on and (presumably) sending information back to Redmond. Trashed the program and my system performance improved dramatically. Sounds like spyware to me. </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> This is complete bullshit. <br /> <br /> There is absolutely <b>nothing</b> on google about this, nor does it make any sense for the Mac ports of the Jet DB to contain spyware.<br /> <br /> Why don't you try a different story, one that's more believable and perhaps backed up by facts?</font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210416></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Agathon is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Agathon</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > Prince </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar25792_40.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Leafs 4TW!! - CPA<br> Dec 2002<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/-5/1.html>00:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 27-07-2003 00:11</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210416.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210416.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210416>#55</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210416.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href=http://www.chipsbits.com/cgi-bin/order.cbi_home?source=84161&add=CIVICP2.IR>Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf >That's what Apple had to do, do get the low intensity DRM that they did.<br /> <br /> Wow, what's better unlimited burns or 3? Unlimited players or a couple.<br /> <br /> No contest, numbnuts.</font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210425></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Asher is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Asher</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > King </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar4338_20.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Calgary, Alberta<br> Nov 1999<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/-7/1.html>22:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 27-07-2003 00:13</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> <a href="http://asher19.livejournal.com" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/images/homepage.gif" alt="Visit Asher's homepage!" border="0" hspace=5></a> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210425.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210425.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210425>#56</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210425.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href=http://www.chipsbits.com/cgi-bin/order.cbi_home?source=84161&add=SIDMC3C.IR>Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf ><table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font> <font size="1"> Originally posted by Agathon </font><br /> That's what Apple had to do, do get the low intensity DRM that they did.<br /> <br /> Wow, what's better unlimited burns or 3? Unlimited players or a couple.<br /> <br /> No contest, numbnuts. </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> Did you read what I quoted?<br /> It has unlimited transfers to players. Why do you have so much trouble with such obvious things?<br /> <br /> And you only need to burn the thing once...then the protection is removed. CivPatriot even mentioned that this is common practice with the iTunes stores' users, to remove the DRM.<br /> <br /> Not that it matters to me, I've never burned an audio CD in my life.<br /> <br /> And something tells me the kind of people who download music online are doing it because they don't care for the CDs anyway.<br /> <br /> But your "unlimited players" idea is cool -- with BuyMusic's stuff, any WM9 player can play them, and any MP3 player that supports WM can play them.<br /> <br /> With iTunes, you're stuck with iTunes and the iPod.<br /> <br /> "Unlimited players" and "No contest, numbnuts" is correct...</font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210518></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Agathon is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Agathon</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > Prince </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar25792_40.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Leafs 4TW!! - CPA<br> Dec 2002<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/-5/1.html>00:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#d9d9d9 width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 27-07-2003 00:46</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210518.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210518.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210518>#57</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210518.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href="/members/__action=makechoice&useridtosub=0&subconfirm=1&usertosub=Unregistered.html">Got spare money?</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf ><table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font> <font size="1"> Originally posted by Asher </font><br /> <br /> Did you read what I quoted?<br /> It has unlimited transfers to players. Why do you have so much trouble with such obvious things?</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <br /> I can't use the link since I don't run Internet Exploiter for Windows. Actually I could spoof it, but I can't be bothered.<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>And you only need to burn the thing once...then the protection is removed. CivPatriot even mentioned that this is common practice with the iTunes stores' users, to remove the DRM.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <br /> No. As far as I know it doesn't work like that. If you attempt to rip such a CD it will only work on an authorised computer. If you attempt to convert it to mp3 the quality is unacceptable. Of course you can get around the DRM if you want, but that's illegal.<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>Not that it matters to me, I've never burned an audio CD in my life.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <br /> You aren't everyone.<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>And something tells me the kind of people who download music online are doing it because they don't care for the CDs anyway.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <br /> Well, what if I want a copy in case my computer gets stolen? What if I want a copy for my car, or a copy for my office? What if I want to make mix CDs for parties. What if my wife and kids want their own copy? More importantly what if I want to send a CD of music to a friend I swap with (this is technically illegal, but the record companies turn a blind eye to it, because the people who do this are usually big customers and buy the discs anyway if they like what they've been sent). <br /> <br /> See.<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>But your "unlimited players" idea is cool -- with BuyMusic's stuff, any WM9 player can play them, and any MP3 player that supports WM can play them.<br /> <br /> With iTunes, you're stuck with iTunes and the iPod.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <br /> itunes already supports a variety of players. It's up to their manufacturers to make them AAC compatible. I'm sure they will. <br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>"Unlimited players" and "No contest, numbnuts" is correct... </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <br /> Nope. You are grasping at straws here. itunes DRM is simply better. You are just trying to blame Apple for things that are beyond their control.<br /> <br /> Case closed.</font></p> <p></p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <!-- spacer --></td><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td></tr></table> <table bgcolor=#ffffff width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td width=10><img width=10 height=1 src=/forums/images/space.gif alt=""></td><td width=100%><!-- spacer --> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor=#bbbbbb width=100% align=center><tr><td width=15%> <table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0 width=100%> <tr> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=185 valign=top> <a name=post2210530></a> <table width=100%><tr><Td valign=middle width=5%> <img src="/forums/images/off.gif" border="0" alt="Asher is offline" align="absmiddle"> </td><td valign=middle align=left width=95%> <font class=nf ><b>Asher</b></font> </td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top></td><td align=left width=100%><font class=sf > King </font></td></tr></table> <table width=100% cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/forums/custom_avatars/avatar4338_20.gif" border="0" alt=""></td> <td valign=top width=100%><font class=sf > Calgary, Alberta<br> Nov 1999<BR>time: <a href=/forums/members/timezone/-7/1.html>22:29</a><br> </font></td></tr> </table> <table width=100%><tr><Td align=right nowrap> </td></tr></table> </td> <td bgcolor=#efefef width=80% valign=top> <TABLE WIDTH=100% BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 height=17> <TR><TD rowspan=3 valign=top nowrap>   </TD><TD align=left width=55% nowrap valign=top> <font class=sf ><img src="/forums/images/posticon.gif" border="0" alt="Old Post"> 27-07-2003 00:54</font> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> <a href="http://asher19.livejournal.com" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/images/homepage.gif" alt="Visit Asher's homepage!" border="0" hspace=5></a> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top> </td><TD align=left width=3% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2> </td><TD align=center width=30% nowrap valign=top> </TD><TD align=center width=15% nowrap valign=top bgcolor=e2e2e2><center> <a href=/forums/editpost__action=editpost&postid=2210530.html><img src=/forums/edit.gif border=0 alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a> <a href=/forums/newreply__action=newreply&postid=2210530.html><img src=/forums/quote.gif border=0 alt="Reply w/Quote"></a> </center></TD><TD align=right width=10% nowrap><FONT SIZE=1 color=#000080 face=Verdana> <a href=/forums/thread/92981/2.html#post2210530>#58</a> <a href=/forums/report__postid=2210530.html><img src=/forums/images/report.gif alt="Report this post to a moderator" border=0 hspace=3></a> </TD></TR><TR><TD colspan=10 align=center height=1 bgcolor=e2e2e2><FONT SIZE=1><img src=/civ2/images/site/blank.gif width=100% height=1></FONT></TD></TR> <TR><TD colspan=10 valign=top><table width=100% cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr><td> <font class=sf ><b></b></font> </TD><TD nowrap valign=top align=right> <font class=sf ><a href=http://www.chipsbits.com/cgi-bin/order.cbi_home?source=84161&add=GALACDE.IR>Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition</a></font> </td></tr></table> </TD></TR> </TABLE> <p><font class=nf ><table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font> <font size="1"> Originally posted by Agathon </font><br /> I can't use the link since I don't run Internet Exploiter for Windows. Actually I could spoof it, but I can't be bothered.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> I quoted it on this site, for christ sake...<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>No. As far as I know it doesn't work like that. If you attempt to rip such a CD it will only work on an authorised computer. If you attempt to convert it to mp3 the quality is unacceptable. </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> You are totally wrong -- audio CDs burned from your computers do not contain DRM. Once you burn them into standard CD-audio format, the DRM is gone. <br /> <br /> And why would you convert it to MP3? MP3 is obsolete. Personally I'd put it into WMA-lossless...<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>Well, what if I want a copy in case my computer gets stolen? What if I want a copy for my car, or a copy for my office? What if I want to make mix CDs for parties. What if my wife and kids want their own copy? More importantly what if I want to send a CD of music to a friend I swap with (this is technically illegal, but the record companies turn a blind eye to it, because the people who do this are usually big customers and buy the discs anyway if they like what they've been sent). <br /> <br /> See.</td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> All of the above are easily answered by the option: "portable mp3 player".<br /> <br /> And, again, the people who want CDs typically do not use things like the iTunes store for it. There's no sense in it -- CDs are still of higher quality, and if you want it on CD...buy it on CD.<br /> <br /> The kind of people who are more apt to buy from things like iTunes are portable MP3 player owners or people who only listen to music on their PC.<br /> <br /> As for burning all those CDs, why on earth would you need to burn more than 3 copies??<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>itunes already supports a variety of players. It's up to their manufacturers to make them AAC compatible. I'm sure they will. </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> List the other players.<br /> <br /> <table align=center width=80% style="background-color:#e2e2e2; border-style:dotted;border-width: 1px 1px 1px 1px; border-color:#000080;"><tr><td><font color=000080><font class=sf >quote:<BR></font>Nope. You are grasping at straws here. itunes DRM is simply better. You are just trying to blame Apple for things that are beyond their control.<br /> <br /> Case closed. </td></tr></table><font class=nf><br /> <img src="/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt=""><br /> You probably don't even understand how DRM works, let alone the specifics between Apple's kludgey AAC DRM and WMA's DRM.<br /> <br /> Unless you're talking about the licensing terms...and I disagree, I think having to use the iPod to listen to them on a player is unacceptable. 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