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Asher is offline Asher
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I just received a harsh lesson in DRM and record label-driven policy that
may be of interest to those on your lists who are Apple customers and may
be leaving the United States in the future. Having purchased a number of
songs from the Apple Music Store while in the US and using a US funds
credit card, I regrettably didn't read the fine print. I've now discovered
that if you leave the country, your songs may just disappear, as mine have.

I've recently moved to Canada and just this week had a problem with my
PowerBook that called for me undertaking a reinstall. After firing up
iTunes and attempting to play purchased songs, I was asked to reauthorize
those songs, using the Apple ID associated with the purchase. No problem, I
thought. This is the Apple Music Store, not PressPlay or MusicNet. I paid
for these songs and they're mine. Silly me. Apparently, if you change your
contact address and/or have your US credit card address changed, as I did,
you are no longer able to play the songs you paid for while on US soil.

After going back and forth with AMS customer support, they pointed me to
the terms of sale policy, and there it is in the very first paragraph:
<http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/policies.html>

So, shame on me for not reading the fine print. But if you're spending
money with Apple and plan a departure from the States any time soon, your
money would be better spent on little round platters.


Go Apple, Go Apple...

Cruddy is offline Cruddy
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What's the betting MS will have a similar policy for Palladium?

Asher is offline Asher
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What, restricting all files secured by Palladium to being US-only?

Nil, I'd say.

Asher is offline Asher
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And for the record, Buymusic.com, which is 100% run by Microsoft software (Windows Server 2003, Windows Media 9) is like iTunes, but with 100,000 more songs, and you can use them outside of the US as well.

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That just sucks, plain and simple. I doubt even the Apple fanboys can seriously defend that policy.

Although, how much is this policy decided by Apple and how much is dictated to them by the record industry?

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Asher is offline Asher
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http://www.buymusic.com/product.asp...48023&loc=18282
http://www.buymusic.com/product.asp...64256&loc=18250
http://www.buymusic.com/product.asp...47957&loc=18250



FrustratedPoet is offline FrustratedPoet
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In order to take full advantage of BuyMusic.com's offerings you must be on a Windows Operating System using Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher.


Well ... that'll teach me for using Opera, won't it?

CivPatriot is offline CivPatriot
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And the DRM for Buymusic.com is
varies from record company to company

for the itunes music store
comps=3 that you can download, burn onto and share music between(plus unlimited on your LAN if they do not have DRM)
devices=unlimited
burns=unlimited

Yeah i admit that the licensing issue out side of the US is a problem, but apple's working on it(its an issue with the record iundusty that we've come to love and enjoy), plus the iTunes interface is far superior to that of WMP.

and all you need is itunes4(windows version out later this year)

Anun Ik Oba is offline Anun Ik Oba
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Its all about control.

Asher is offline Asher
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CivPatriot: There's a lot more issues I have with iTunes Music Store aside from the US-only policy.

Namely, you need to use iTunes4 (what's wrong with a web browser???), and if you want to use a portable MP3 player it has to be the iPod...

Stuff like BuyMusic.com works for any MP3 player that supports WMA (like the entire Nomad family).

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(like the entire Nomad family).


But not iPod's, right?

Asher is offline Asher
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Only because Apple chooses not to support WMAs.

They could easily do it with a firmware update, it can use the same decoder chips as MP3s.

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I didn't see it on the list of the "approved devices" as for needing an ipod to play music from the store, i'm not sure that has been addressed that i'm aware of, I do know that itunes does support other players than the ipod(as far as i am aware of)

As for itunes, its the dominate mp3 player on the mac platform(basically the same way that WMP is for the majority of people on the PC)

Should the itunes music store also have an option to access from a broswer? yeah I think so, hopefully we will see this option when the music store adds windows support.

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The DRM for the iTunes store is proprietary. Plus the iPod is the only player I know of that can play AAC files.

Apple's got it locked down essentially to Apple-only products. It's quite typical of Apple, really.

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And to use buymusic you have to use WMP 9 and IE and XP home or Pro, sounds like a lockdown on microsoft products to me.

And like the itunes music store its only currenly availble to US residents.

Plus if all ipods can be update via software to handle AAC files shouldn't other players be able to as well?

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You can use any Media Player in Windows as long as you've installed the WM9 codecs (which are free).

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Plus if all ipods can be update via software to handle AAC files shouldn't other players be able to as well?

It wouldn't matter, as Apple's version of AAC has proprietary DRM.

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I'll conceed the point on only iPods working with music bought from the iTunes Music store.

And I also take back the point on the OS I misread something(still PC onlt thought, so both of the music systems don't directly compete, yet).
The one reason that i enjoy the music store is not having to worry about varying DRM amoung the labels, its the same all around.

Plus the nice thing about the itunes music store is that it is ridicously easy to remove the DRM(just burn them as an Mp3 cd or an audio CD and they are gone, free to work on any player, any system, any time, plus then you can share them amoung all the computers on your LAN. I'm not sure about how easiley it is to do that with buymusic.

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The one reason that i enjoy the music store is not having to worry about varying DRM amoung the labels, its the same all around.

It's not like it's a big deal, they're clearly marked at the top of every page for BuyMusic's stuff.

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Plus the nice thing about the itunes music store is that it is ridicously easy to remove the DRM(just burn them as an Mp3 cd or an audio CD and they are gone, free to work on any player, any system, any time, plus then you can share them amoung all the computers on your LAN. I'm not sure about how easiley it is to do that with buymusic.

You could do that with WMA protected files, too. Or just run them through the de-DRM tools which strip DRMs from the files.

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The more i look at both, the more i see that they are virtually identical, except in price(which i will openly admit is one of Apple's weak points). You do have two different formats(AAC vs WMA), the difference in audio quality i'm too uneducated to argue about(or to really know about the quality of the two).

I suppose the difference comes down to which player you use(iPod vs every one else, and the iPod is the main player in this market) and if you like WMP(i never have liked its interface personally) or itunes(love it and most people i've known who've seen it or used it does too). There is one additional thing you must have in order to play AAC with itunes, Quicktime 6.2.

In the end, I hope that when the two stores go head to head, the winner will be the consumer. Apple's shown the way, others like buymusic are following, I hope to see prices drop as the two compete(along with the other new stores, but I think these will be the two that are going to fight it out).

one last question, how good are the download speeds off of buymusic? I know that off of the apple store they are extremly fast(as fast as my wifi will keep up).

Asher is offline Asher
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I don't know about BuyMusic's download speeds, their website loads instantly for me so that's a good sign.

As for WMP -- you don't need to use WMP. It's just listed as a requirement because when you install WMP9, it installs the Windows Media 9 codecs on your system.

You can use any media player you want that uses DirectShow to play it (Winamp, foobar, etc).

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I'll bet the policy is sleazy industry-boss idea, not Apple idea.

Which is why Apple needs to go back to those "**** RIAA"-type actions like the rest of the computer world is doing, instead of being cowards and giving in.

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Asher,
thanks for letting me know about the players that you can use, in my haste, i guess overlooked it.

mrm,
apple is trying to hold their own against the record companies, this is the reason that several major artist(Foo Fighters, Metallica) have refuse to sign and use the system, because Apple is demanding that every one have the same rights(all artists get the same deal), and that's not sitting well with the artists and the companties. Honestly, i'm will not be surprised if the Music labels push apple for more restrictive DRM when they put iTunes Music store out for windows. Hopefully people like buymusic and Apple with hold their ground.

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I'll let you all know if this is true in a week or so.

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You don't believe it when Apple explicitley says it?

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So why don't MP3 players support Ogg Vorbis? Much better than any competing standard.

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Because until very recently, they required a floating-point unit decode, and every MP3 player on the market uses far-cheaper integer units.

Plus I don't think Ogg is better than either WMA9 or AAC, but it is really good.

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these things won't be that succesful because u have to goto the record companies through legal channels. and the record industry has a baseball bat up their ass about all of this.

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You don't believe it when Apple explicitley says it?


I don't believe it when Asher says it, no. I think he's seriously overstating the problem. If my files disappear when I get off the plane in Japan, I'll let you know.

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Panag, you look sleepy. Do you need some coffee or anything? (Or, considering time zones in Belgium Israel, do you need to go to bed?)

 
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