26-07-2003 07:31									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker We;ve ****ed up the ocean enough i wouldn't want to mess it up even more

The biggest damage is from fishing. Both overfishing, "bycatch", and dredgeing up the bottom with nets. In comparison to that, things like the SD outfall are no damage at all.

	26-07-2003 08:07									#32
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i thought ocean colonization was a stupid idea... why did the makers of Call to Power have that?

	26-07-2003 08:18									#33
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1.) OIL. Lots of it down there. Someday we will go and get it.

2.) Many sources of geothermal in the ocean. Power should not be a problem if the location is picked correctly.

3.) Polymer technology is advancing at unbelivable rates. It should be possible to develop suitable building material.

4.) Financing...see point one.

	26-07-2003 08:55									#34
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Wasn't St. Swithin a designer for CTP? I wonder if she has an opinion on this issue.

	26-07-2003 10:03									#35
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quote: Originally posted by TCO I like the ocean.

I love the ocean. Don't get to spend near enough time on it, in it, or under it. I'd hate to try to build anything that would last and stay where it belonged and actually be useful in it, though.

	26-07-2003 10:18									#36
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The best thing to do is to "drain" the oceans and then create a one world city ala trantor (spll?): the water could all the rid of salt and living things and stored as great blocks of ice miles down in the crust in giant refrigirated rooms. It would all only cost billions of billions of dollars and thousands of years, but what the heck?

	26-07-2003 10:21									#37
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that is the craziest idea i have ever heard, GePap... where did you come up with that one? seriously...

	26-07-2003 10:26									#38
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How much Sci Fi do you read? The notion of the One World City is old, Corys..whatever the hell the capital of the Empire in SW is called is an entire planet that is one city..you can;t very well have 74% of the surface of the globe filled with miles of water if you are going to do so, now can you?

	26-07-2003 10:42									#39
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how much sci fi do i read? lol

i read 1984, brave new world, and anthem... do they count?

	26-07-2003 11:03									#40
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what about the hardy boys

	26-07-2003 11:27									#41
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whats the hardy boys?

	26-07-2003 11:30									#42
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oh it's a real old bunch of series books about two square white boy detectives that go around and solve mysteries

even though the basic plot was the exact same every time it was still entertaining

	26-07-2003 11:40									#43
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you mean encyclopedia brown?

	26-07-2003 11:44									#44
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nah

damn i didn't know they were 75 years old

i thought it started in the 50s

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/...67/history.html

	26-07-2003 11:47									#45
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Remember, the cost of new technology is always outrageous. (If we can avoid ecological issues, sea colonisation will happen sometime...probably the same time or a little after space.)

The initial costs would be astronomical, of course. But the clean, controlled environments and 'new frontier' should prove beneficial.

After its found out that people will live longer, healthier lives in such environments, people would flock to these underwater nations.

	26-07-2003 17:05									#46
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I believe CTP II ditched the space overlay and did sea colonization instead as it was easier to program and play.

However what bugged me was how you could turn mountains into swamps but couldn't fill in the oceans to get more land.

	26-07-2003 17:54									#47
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat I love the ocean. Don't get to spend near enough time on it, in it, or under it. I'd hate to try to build anything that would last and stay where it belonged and actually be useful in it, though.

Yes and no. There is a whole field called ocean engineering about building structures in the ocean (rigs and dikes and piers and such). USNA was one of the few schools that had it. I think rigs are pretty impressive.