26-07-2003 11:59									#1
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Why is pork bologna and pork hotdogs so much cheaper than their beef equivalents? a standard pack of either beef bologna or beef hotdogs usually costs over a dollar more than pork.

sure makes me glad i'm a 'bad muslim'

how do yall jewish people here deal with the expensive ass beef?

	26-07-2003 12:09									#2
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I don't notice the price, personally. I just buy what I feel like eating.

	26-07-2003 12:13									#3
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there's a surprisingly big difference in the price... you can get pork bologna for 99 cents while the same amount of beef bologna costs 1.99...

	26-07-2003 12:14									#4
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That's not a big difference - a buck, hell. I spend triple that on a cup of coffee.

	26-07-2003 12:20									#6
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Don't make me bring up my 16 year old cousin who spent £600 on a Christian Dior handbag.

	26-07-2003 12:21									#7
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Pork is people!

	26-07-2003 12:21									#8
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If you can afford it, buy what you want. It's your money.

	26-07-2003 12:21									#9
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3 dollars for coffee?!!

mcdonalds sells coffee for 69 cents! a large cup i think is less than a dollar

	26-07-2003 12:23									#10
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wouldnt have thought Laz would be a charlton heston fan....

	26-07-2003 12:23									#11
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Yeah, but buying coffee from McDonald's is sorta like buying clothes at Walmart. Some people do it, but not me.

Starbucks tastes better, and have many different flavors and varieties

	26-07-2003 12:25									#12
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pork I is cheaper to raise I suppose

cows eat a lot of food. and only a few different types of food.

We have a pig farm in North Las Vegas that the pigs eat scraps from buffets from the casinos. pigs can eat anything. They are small and take up less space. And can be crammed together closer than cows.

	26-07-2003 12:31									#13
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I don't understand why we need to give animals much space at all. Why give cows a field..what a waste. Build a factory and hole them up in it. Cheaper food

	26-07-2003 12:33									#14
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But the thing is, the quality of the food is often dependent upon the animal - that is, you want a well fed cow, not one that lays around all day. At least that's my understanding. Could be wrong, though.

	26-07-2003 12:33									#15
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Besides, the number of lawsuits from PETA would probably end up just driving the cost up anyway

	26-07-2003 12:34									#16
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cows eat grass, lots of it. They need huge fields of grass to survive.

In the U.S. we don't feed our cows cow parts like some other countries I will not name . we feed our cows what they are supposed to eat. crap growing on the ground.

	26-07-2003 12:41									#17
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quote: cows eat grass, lots of it. They need huge fields of grass to survive.

I have a football field near me that the council can't afford to cut any more. Cows could be put on it I suppose but then it would just fill with cowshit.

So cut the grass and sell it to farmers to feed factory-imprisoned cows with.

We could have them on treadmills for exercise. put the cows in rooms for an hour with treadmills at a few mph with rotating saws at the end where the treadmills are going towards.

Would do the trick.

Cheap meat.

	26-07-2003 12:43									#18
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It's a darned sight cheaper to put the cows in the field and transport them to the slaughterhouse than it is to keep them in the slaughterhouse and transport the grass to them.

	26-07-2003 12:44									#19
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Right, because designing treadmills for cows and training the cows to run on them certainly wouldn't drive costs up

	26-07-2003 12:45									#20
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How exactly does one get an Economics degree these days? Does it involve collecting coupons and vouchers?

	26-07-2003 12:48									#21
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quote: It's a darned sight cheaper to put the cows in the field and transport them to the slaughterhouse than it is to keep them in the slaughterhouse and transport the grass to them.

No it's not. You're forgetting the cost of land.

	26-07-2003 12:49									#22
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Uh huh. And how much is greenbelt land worth?

	26-07-2003 12:53									#23
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It's quite precious, apparently.

	26-07-2003 13:07									#24
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I won't embarrass you into backing that up. Instead- consider that this land only becomes "precious" if permission to develop it is obtained- a tricky area to say the least.

Then consider two other points- firstly that most of the land suitable for development is not used for pastoral farming. It's used for arable farming, and it's difficult to get closer to industrial conditions than that.

Secondly, if you drop all the restrictions on developing greenbelt land, what impact would that have on...

A- The housing market.

B- The wider economy?

	26-07-2003 13:22									#25
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You still need the land to grow the grass, so you may as well keep the cows there too -- maximize efficiency.

	26-07-2003 13:38									#26
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quote: wouldnt have thought Laz would be a charlton heston fan....

That's about as far as you could get away from Charlton Heston.

	26-07-2003 14:01									#27
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You mean he's not doing a take off on Soylent Green?

	26-07-2003 14:34									#28
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A nice abstract discussion for Saturday morning. Anyway..

quote: Instead- consider that this land only becomes "precious" if permission to develop it is obtained- a tricky area to say the least.

No - the value of the land to society is higher than its developed value, but the private market would likely not take this into account. That's why it's not built on.

Don't think just in money terms.

quote: Then consider two other points- firstly that most of the land suitable for development is not used for pastoral farming. It's used for arable farming, and it's difficult to get closer to industrial conditions than that.

Again, I don't see how this is relevant. The large cow shed would be built wherever land was cheapest - not necessarily where farms exist now.

quote: Secondly, if you drop all the restrictions on developing greenbelt land, what impact would that have on... A- The housing market.

It would most likely reduce the likelihood of booms and busts in the market as supply of houses would respond more effectively to the price level. So what?

quote: Secondly, if you drop all the restrictions on developing greenbelt land, what impact would that have on... B- The wider economy?

Nice to see you admitting my plan has some merit by going off at a complete tangent.

quote: You still need the land to grow the grass, so you may as well keep the cows there too -- maximize efficiency.

How many garderners just chuck out their grass? Create a market for it in the plan I have outlined previously, and efficiency will rise.

The land that the cows were previously on would be freed up for something far more useful.

	26-07-2003 15:39									#29
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Won't work. Too many homeowners use pesticides, many of which would render beef unsuitable for human consumption if the cow ate them.

	26-07-2003 15:42									#30
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So that would create an incentive to use fewer pesticides in order to gain some £$ for your grass.

Surely for the better as well. Cheers MM.