26-07-2003 21:38									#1
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The Iroquois Nation was a confederacy, so why is their shunned government democracy and their favorite government despotism? It should be their favorite is a republic (or maybe democracy, what do you think?) and their shunned government monarchy (they hated the French). I already renamed their cities, and made their formal 'the Iroquois Nation' (sounds much better than just Iroquois, if you want explanation go to my other thread), but the leaders are still a problem. They are all from other tribes. The only other Iroquois leader I can think of besides Hiawatha is Sageyowatha. So I need at least two more.

Of course, the other solution is to just do what maybe was intended by FIRAXIS and just make a civ representing native Americans. Call the civ 'the Native Americans', name the cities after famous tribes, and keep the leaders. What do you guys think?

	26-07-2003 21:46									#2
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Quite frankly, I don't pay any attention to the "favorite" and "shunned" governments lists for each civilization...and I always play the Iroquois (changed to be the Wyandot) in my SP and MP LAN games ... though historically, I would think that the Iroquois favorite government should be Democracy.

	26-07-2003 23:42									#3
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod The Iroquois Nation was a confederacy, so why is their shunned government democracy and their favorite government despotism? It should be their favorite is a republic (or maybe democracy, what do you think?) and their shunned government monarchy (they hated the French). I already renamed their cities, and made their formal 'the Iroquois Nation' (sounds much better than just Iroquois, if you want explanation go to my other thread), but the leaders are still a problem. They are all from other tribes. The only other Iroquois leader I can think of besides Hiawatha is Sageyowatha. So I need at least two more. Of course, the other solution is to just do what maybe was intended by FIRAXIS and just make a civ representing native Americans. Call the civ 'the Native Americans', name the cities after famous tribes, and keep the leaders. What do you guys think?

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, well the French had a monarchy but they evolved later on to a republic , ....

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	27-07-2003 00:12									#4
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Maybe someone from Firaxis could drop by and answer that question?

I would think Despotism is a good government for them to shun.

Making a Native American civ is a good idea. Though I think it adds to the game to have unique civs rather then generalizations.

	27-07-2003 01:57									#5
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It doesn't really matter the shunned and favourite gov, the AI always choose Democracy or Republic as peace time and Monarchy or Communism for war

	27-07-2003 02:24									#6
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It does not seem that shunned and favored have that much of an influence on the game.
So until I see some impact, I don't care what they use.
Anyway don't try to make so much of the nits such as this and traits. They have only so many and if they made them all rational and logical there would be too many with the same values.

	27-07-2003 23:15									#7
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I thought that shunned and favorite governments affected how you were percieved by other civs.

Having a favorite government of a civ helps your relations with that civ. Am I wrong in thinking this?

	27-07-2003 23:51									#8
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I believe you are right Sheik, but the way the AI acts at times, I'm guessing it's not that big of an issue.

	28-07-2003 01:38									#9
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Native Americans? Nah, most Native Americans, as you'd call them, don't take that term seriously. I know from experience that many of them (at least the Navajo, Pueblo, and Sioux that I've known) prefer American Indian!

	28-07-2003 02:03									#10
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod The Iroquois Nation was a confederacy, so why is their shunned government democracy and their favorite government despotism? It should be their favorite is a republic (or maybe democracy, what do you think?) and their shunned government monarchy (they hated the French).

Favourite should be Democracy, shunned Despotism.

quote: The only other Iroquois leader I can think of besides Hiawatha is Sageyowatha. So I need at least two more.

Here is a list of 10 Iroquois leaders:

Kryn
Garangula
Canassatego
Skenandoah
Handsome Lake
Cornplanter
Joseph Brant
Sagoyewatha
Ely Parker
Descaheh