27-07-2003 09:03									#31
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Do you want to be the one to write off half a million dead in a matter of hours?

	27-07-2003 09:05									#32
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quote: But it would be so easy. We've already shown that people like you will go along with it. That's why we wanted you to register, so we could draft you.

Don't be silly. Starting the draft would be a sure way for Bush to lose the elections, and the Dems to sweep Congress.

	27-07-2003 09:05									#33
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they have no nuke, therefore no half a million dead. his soldiers will give up

and why shouldn't the south play along? it means more power to them after al, especially if the north has the technology. Great Strong Unified Korean People. or whatever that line was.

	27-07-2003 09:06									#34
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"Do you want to be the one to write off half a million dead in a matter of hours?"

Do you want to be the one who alows them to become capable of wiping out the US?

	27-07-2003 09:07									#35
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I agree with the general sentiment of this thread, US out of Korea is a good idea.

When we get that little mother****er settled down, yeah. Not before, or else it's liable to be like one of those joke cigars that blows up in your face.

	27-07-2003 09:08									#36
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"and why shouldn't the south play along? it means more power to them after al, especially if the north has the technology. Great Strong Unified Korean People. or whatever that line was."

Scared for their capitol. The NK's could flatten it conventionally. That's what MtG is on about.

	27-07-2003 09:08									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "Do you want to be the one to write off half a million dead in a matter of hours?" Do you want to be the one who alows them to become capable of wiping out the US?

Get a ****ing clue. Some peanut with half a dozen small nukes and missiles that can almost make it a third of the way across the Pacific isn't a threat to the US.

	27-07-2003 09:09									#38
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but to her allies?

	27-07-2003 09:12									#39
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Which is why they'll handle it.

	27-07-2003 09:13									#40
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"Get a ****ing clue. "

Now now...we all know these words are are a no-no...


"Some peanut with half a dozen small nukes and missiles that can almost make it a third of the way across the Pacific isn't a threat to the US. "

Not yet. They're developing their missiles of course. But then I don't have to inform you of that, you know it already...

Toeing the party line are we Mike?

	27-07-2003 09:14									#41
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Which is why they'll handle it. Do you think the Chinese want their pet lap ***** to toss a nuke at Tokyo?

Or set off alarms in Tokyo to such an extent that the Japanese decide they really need a nuclear deterrent and serious force projection capabilities?

edit - hit quote instead of edit.

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	27-07-2003 09:15									#42
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SK and J can't handle NK on their own.

There might be a different approach, a Huntington-esque one. Tell the Chinese to clean up their room. That's all. The message is: we recognize you as the regional great/super power. But: make it right.

It will liead to China annexing both Koreas, Taiwan, maybe Japan, definitely Vietnam etc. But no minor state will ever again threaten a great power with nukes. Nuclear combat should stay between the big ones

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"Some peanut with half a dozen small nukes and missiles that can almost make it a third of the way across the Pacific isn't a threat to the US. "

I'm getting sick, maybe it's the wine.

	27-07-2003 09:18									#44
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Everyone knows the truth just by looking at your first post

	27-07-2003 09:18									#45
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"K and J can't handle NK on their own.

There might be a different approach, a Huntington-esque one. Tell the Chinese to clean up their room. That's all. The message is: we recognize you as the regional great/super power. But: make it right.

It will liead to China annexing both Koreas, Taiwan, maybe Japan, definitely Vietnam etc. But no minor state will ever again threaten a great power with nukes. Nuclear combat should stay between the big ones "

I'm getting sick maybe it's the wine II.

	27-07-2003 09:20									#46
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Everyone knows the truth just by looking at your first post II

	27-07-2003 09:20									#47
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"Everyone knows the truth just by looking at your first post"

Amen

	27-07-2003 09:20									#48
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Lancer. North Korea MUST be handled by military means.

	27-07-2003 09:24									#49
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Ect, we are in full agreement there. However, I think the west should handle it in order to unite Korea. Of NK is under China and SK is free you think that's a solution? It's another Tibet, but much worse.

If you give up SK to the Chinese you can forget our whole alliance system...

We have to do the job, but SK won't help. It's a real problem.

	27-07-2003 09:26									#50
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OK.

Put loads of Air force into SK to defend their cities.

Both China and NK will cry, but NK won't attack. Western press will whinge about escalation and all, but our reaction is: "that's what we want".

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Begin the war with an ICBM on Pyongyang and another one on Beijing. Should shut the chicoms up.[/PS]

	27-07-2003 09:31									#51
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Best thing is to swallow pride and just spend a good 20-30 billion over the next decade to buy him off (just make sure to ge a good deal) far cheaper in all respects than "not giving up to blackmail": crime pays, live with it.

	27-07-2003 09:33									#52
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Naa, we have to assure the SK's while doing what we're doing, trying every ave toward a peaceful solution, then when the good guys are with us we hammer em. It won't be '52 all over, it'll be...quick and nasty.

	27-07-2003 09:33									#53
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it isn't only about pride... others might follow.

Pervez M has a lot of sand that could prove to be a great base resource for the Indian glass industry

	27-07-2003 09:34									#54
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Quick and nasty? as in glassy?

	27-07-2003 09:36									#55
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As in the new ways of war meet the old.

	27-07-2003 09:37									#56
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don't you think they'll surrender in masses? if your guys march in with meat and milk instead of guns and germs, they might flee their divisions in millions.

	27-07-2003 09:41									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Naa, we have to assure the SK's while doing what we're doing, trying every ave toward a peaceful solution, then when the good guys are with us we hammer em. It won't be '52 all over, it'll be...quick and nasty.

Yes, and I am sure, in the end, it will be so much better to let hundreads of thousands die, hundreads of billions in damages just to, what?

It is a simple equation: the NK wants to make sure the US will never hit them: so they seek either nukes, or an agrewemnt we won;t hit them.We don;t want them to have nukes: the simplest solution then would be to give them the agreement. Is it giving in to blackmail? Yes, yes it is, but the fact is that NO, not any other state could pull it off. The North can count on the fact that even if they were to lose a war in the penninsula the "nasty" as you call it ("No one said we would not get our hair mussed..ten to twenty million dead, tops, depending on the breaks") is a generally higher price than any sensible politician wants to pay.

Now, if you want to go over there and plant yourself on the DMZ with a rifle, go ahead, do so. I am sure one more body on the line will make all the difference...

	27-07-2003 09:42									#58
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No, these guys will fight like mad. Koreans are some of the most dedicated stubborn SOBs the world has ever turned out. They make great troops. It'll be bad for them...they'll think they're defending their country...

I tend to recoil from such thoughs as I get older. Yet, it has to be done.

	27-07-2003 09:44									#59
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I've been on the line with an M16 GePap, did my duty. Kiss my ass, k?

	27-07-2003 09:45									#60
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where were you, L?