28-07-2003 20:10									#1
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http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93060,00.html

I looked at this from the angle of "Oh, so they arent ostracized?".

THEN I realized.............. well how damn hard is it to hide your sexuality? You really arent supposed to be "getting it on" in highschool during the school day anyway, so what is the need?

	28-07-2003 20:13									#2
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I'm not sure I can support separate schools based on sexual orientation.

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I think this is a big mistake, and will cause more problems than it fixes

Putting the money into some inner-city schools would be a LOT more useful

	28-07-2003 20:19									#4
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It seems... counterproductive, doesn't it?

The best way to end discrimination is to be accepted by the rest of the populace by interacting with them.

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i certainly hope the school doesn't go catholic.............

	28-07-2003 20:23									#6
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How long before students from disadvantaged backgrounds start claiming to be gay in order to get into this school and get a better education than they would otherwise?

	28-07-2003 21:05									#7
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I don't mind so long as schools can eliminate gays if they so wish.

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what do you mean by "eliminate"?

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quote: I don't mind so long as schools can eliminate gays if they so wish.

Could the also take all them blacks, and other darkies?

	28-07-2003 21:23									#10
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quote: You really arent supposed to be "getting it on" in highschool during the school day anyway,

no, but word can and often does get around regarding afterschool behaviour...

in any case, i don't think this is a spectacular idea, but if people are willing to pay for it...

quote: I don't mind so long as schools can eliminate gays if they so wish.

colleges then could eliminate blacks if they so wish (the existence of historically black colleges like morehouse or spelman suggest that); colleges could also eliminate women if they so wish (agnes scott, ehwa, vassar, bryn mawr); catholics could be eliminated (loyola university of chicago, st. rita's high school); jews could be eliminated; deaf, dumb, and/or blind students as well; muslim students could be...

how truly libertarian of you.

	28-07-2003 21:26									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen THEN I realized.............. well how damn hard is it to hide your sexuality? You really arent supposed to be "getting it on" in highschool during the school day anyway, so what is the need?

Have you ever been to a high school?
Rampant sexuality everywhere you look.

And no, I don't support different schools. It's a step backwards.

I do like the idea of the queer prom, like they do in Ontario, where anyone is welcome...but by far the biggest group there are gay teens who feel they'd be hassled if they took their SO to their school proms. I know a few people who went and said it was a blast.

Straight people are welcome too.

	28-07-2003 21:27									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: You really arent supposed to be "getting it on" in highschool during the school day anyway, no, but word can and often does get around regarding afterschool behaviour... in any case, i don't think this is a spectacular idea, but if people are willing to pay for it... quote: I don't mind so long as schools can eliminate gays if they so wish. colleges then could eliminate blacks if they so wish (the existence of historically black colleges like morehouse or spelman suggest that); colleges could also eliminate women if they so wish (agnes scott, ehwa, vassar, bryn mawr); catholics could be eliminated (loyola university of chicago, st. rita's high school); jews could be eliminated; deaf, dumb, and/or blind students as well; muslim students could be... how truly libertarian of you.

Do you think it is fair for people to be excluded from certain schools? Yes or no?

	28-07-2003 21:28									#13
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As long as it is not state funded, they can have all the gay schools they want.

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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Do you think it is fair for people to be excluded from certain schools? Yes or no?

Yes, with strong limitations.
1) Dangerous students
2) Distracting students who are there to disrupt other people's learning

	28-07-2003 21:33									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I don't mind so long as schools can eliminate gays if they so wish.

One more anti gay post from you and you are toast AGAIN.

	28-07-2003 21:40									#16
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quote: Yes, with strong limitations. 1) Dangerous students 2) Distracting students who are there to disrupt other people's learning

Good point.

What if someone is constantly getting harassed at a certain school because they are gay, a nerd, what-have-you?

I know people who have gone to private schools because they couldn't go to public schools without fear for their lives or emotional well-being... I think the state should comp. the cost for private schools for such people. Maybe making a school were such people, not just gays, can feel more comfortable would be in-line.

However, Fresno Unified has specialty schools for "gifted" students, allowing in those ussually labled as "geeks"... That school district is all messed up too... Because by strengthing the strong, they also weaken the week. Sometimes all a jock, or someone commonly labled as stupid, needs is a little encouragement from a geek to start doing well in school.

Also, high school is suppose to teach first, but what about real world education? Ostracized people will be ostracized in the real world as well, separating them in school will not educated them of this...

Hmmm, difficult to say... IMO

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Hmm, I wonder what the requirement is to proove a student is gay to get admission? Or is it strictly limited to LGBT kids? I mean, it doesn't say admission of non-gays is prohibited.

Were it private, I'd have no problem. Being public, I'm pretty skeptical. On the one hand, my utilitarian side says that anything that will protect these kids from abuse and harrassment is good, and it won't make a negative impact on kids in other school. On the other hand, I don't know if it will be good for these kids' social futures to be isolated, and I can see it breeding resentment. I don't like the idea of segregating a minority for any reason, although it is supposedly for that minority's benefit.

This reminds me of the subway car segregation in Tokyo. Women were constantly being molested in the crammed subways, so they have designated "women only" cars to stop the pervs. It's segregation of a public service, but is it wrong? This isn't an adequate comparison, I know, but is similar.

Ultimately, I guess I'd just have to wait and see the results.

	28-07-2003 21:47									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Sometimes all a jock, or someone commonly labled as stupid, needs is a little encouragement from a geek to start doing well in school.

Sure...if you're in a 1980s Molly Ringwald movie! In the real world, 99% of people who don't care about learning and like to abuse "geeks" aren't going to be encouraged to do well based on anything the "geek" does.

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bad idea

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This idea is one of the most backwards I've heard about coming from a modern country. It's a disgrace the gay community is represented by this kind of segregationists I still can't fathom this guy is actually enthusiastic about separating gays from the mainstream society.

There was a time where gays were forced not to interact with the rest of society, and were sent into camps. Fortunately, this time is well gone, and now some gays want to do it again themselves

	28-07-2003 21:55									#21
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Actually I'm gonna have to agree with Bod's.

Presumably this is a private school, so they can exclude heterosexuals. However, if a private school specifically excluded homosexuals, there would be an uproar in the gay community.

So, fair is fair. If gays can start gay only schools, then some fundamentalist Christian group can start a no gay school. Neither is particularly fair, but as long as they are private (as I think all schools should be), neither are an affair for the government, either.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Have you ever been to a high school? Rampant sexuality everywhere you look.

My point is there is no reason the schools should be pandering towards the sexual desires/preferances of the students....... it simply shouldnt be a consideration.

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Boy, it would have been so convenient if everyone in my high school had been straight - it would have saved me from so many emberassing situations in which I was turned down because the femme in question had her own femme in question.

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Is the sex police going to interrogate all students to find out their sexual orientation? Jesus christ some people are stupid.

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Floyd-Its a public school paid with public NYC tax dollars.

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Yep... private schools can live by their own rules... public schools can not

	28-07-2003 22:20									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen My point is there is no reason the schools should be pandering towards the sexual desires/preferances of the students....... it simply shouldnt be a consideration.

I agree, it shouldn't be a consideration with the kids either. But it's a big deal to many kids in high school which somehow feel threatened by it.

I can understand why some gay kids want to go to a school where they won't be harassed about it, but I don't think segregation is a good thing. The vast majority of gay kids just come out after high school, to save themselves the trouble of dealing with all of the twerps in high school. It can be psychologically damaging, though.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Actually I'm gonna have to agree with Bod's. Presumably this is a private school, so they can exclude heterosexuals. However, if a private school specifically excluded homosexuals, there would be an uproar in the gay community.

Nope, it's public, the article said so.

I will add to my previous statement that first and foremost I would like to see school districts just cracking down on homophobic behavior and anti-gay abuse. That's where the real efforts are needed.

	28-07-2003 22:23									#29
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this guy Long sums it up...

quote: "Is there a different way to teach homosexuals? Is there gay math? This is wrong. This makes absolutely no sense," Long said. "There's no reason these children should be treated separately."

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer this guy Long sums it up...

Yes, especially when he adds:

quote: Long said there are city and state discrimination laws on the books and that authorities should enforce them to stop gay-bashing.

I'm agreeing with this long guy 100%