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Niessuh is offline Niessuh
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Con lo que yo me llevaria las manos a la cabeza del alucine es si el CIU vuelve a ganar en Catalunya. Aunque ahora parece claro que no, si incluso los empresarios "tantean" a Maragall, y cuando las ratas abandonan el barco esá clarísimo que se va a pique (que no a Piqué )

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Si, yo suelo desaparecer 1 mes y medio 2 o 3 veces al año.

Que es eso de Yakolev-42?

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A CiU no le queda vida en Catalunya, dudo mucho que ganen las elecciones, su credito se ha gastado y Maragall está pisando fuerte y tiene muchos puntos ganados al haber sido alcalde de Barcelona y conseguir los J.J.O.O.

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IU tiene el problema de que

a) nunca va a ser votada por gente de derechas ni de centro-derecha (como podría serlo el PSOE)

b) IU apoya al gobierno tripartito del País Vasco, lo que supone un monton de votos menos en muchas partes de España (aquí en andalucia, por ejemplo)

Y una consideración personal: lo que no soporto de IU es lo que yo llamo "izquierda topiquera". Quiero decir, yo soy de izquierdas (bueno, al menos no de derechas ), pero no soporto los de IU (también los hay en el PSOE) que creen en una serie de tópicos como (breve lista de ejemplo)

a) EE.UU es siempre malo
b) Casi todo movimiento terrorista es terrorista, pero tiene "razones"
c) La ideología se muestra en la ropa que uno viste (no me digaís que esto no lo habeís encontrado)
d) "yo no tengo opinión propia, sólo la del colectivo"
e) Castro es mejor que EE.UU
f) La UE es una asociación de mercaderes...

y bueno, un montón más de tópicos, pero seguro que ya captais a que "actitud vital" me refiero

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Sabes muy bien que debido a la postura / idea politica de los capos del OT alli no se puede hablar...

...por eso el

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Si, yo suelo desaparecer 1 mes y medio 2 o 3 veces al año.

Que es eso de Yakolev-42?


El más grave accidente aereo de la historia militar española. Un avión que se estrello en Turquia. Murieron más de 60 militares. El avión fue alquilado a una compañia Ucraniana y era bastante viejo....

No confundaís perder las elecciones con desaparecer. No creo que CiU se desintegre por perder las elecciones. Seguro, el PSC podría ganar perfectamente las autonómicas, pero a CiU aún le quedaran muchas parcelas de poder y cuando encuentres a un líder de verdad, y no al "arregla encuentas" de Arthur Mas podrían volver al gobierno.

Por no hablar de que pueden seguir siendo decisivos para un gobierno nacional a pesar de que no gobiernen en Cataluña... Probablemente, si gana el PSC, CiU no tendría incentivos para apoyar al PSOE en Madrid, y entonces tendría que echarse en manos del PP, llevando al PSOE a buscar otros aliados.

En política, de aquí a las generales esto va a estar más que interesante.

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Estoy de acuerdo que tienen unos topicos que no gustan, pero si nos ponemos a analizar a todos los partidos politicos TODOS tienen un monton de topicos que al pueblo no le gusta, pero la diferencia que unos partidos la hacen pública y otros lo esconden, con la ventaja de poder liar a la gente, yo creo que lejos de los topicos se ha de votar por la idea general que tiene el grupo politico y el partido que mas se acerca a tus ideas, a mi ningun partido politico me gusta, y yo suelo decantarme por el menos malo, ya que considero que no hay ningun partido politico 100% fiable, pero unos goviernan hacia una direccion y otros hacia otra y el resultado varia, lo que no varia son los chanchullos y los prestamos a costa del estado

¿Hay solución?

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¿? Creo que no me has entendido bien, Gosties. Yo no estoy afirmando, ni muchísimo menos, que no haya diferencias. Las hay y muy claras (más en cuestiones sociales que en económicas, pero las hay). Lo que a mi me molesta, y estaba tratando de ilustrar con los tópicos, es la actitud vital, que te encuentras por doquier al menos en mi universidad, de cierta gente que se cree "más de izquierdas" que nadie y luego son, en realidad, y aunque voten al PCE, fascistas (bueno, totalitarios) como el que más.

Aun recuerdo como querían ir a cortar la autovia para prostetar contra la LOU. ¿Y que habrá hecho la gente que quiere volver a su casa a comer? ¿Porque no pedimos autorización para organizar la manifestación, etc? ¡¡Fascista!! ¡¡Contrarevolucionario!! (Esto no me paso a mí, pero si a alguien cercano)

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Bueno, como alguien ya ha dicho, el pueblo español tiene la culpa porque lo hemos elegido.


Es momento de sacar la calcomania del auto que dice: "No me eches la culpa yo vote por [oponente de Aznar]"

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Es momento de sacar la calcomania del auto que dice: "No me eches la culpa yo vote por [oponente de Aznar]"




Muy bueno

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Perdona Yaroslav, no te entendi
Y si, tienes razón que la gente aplica las ideas de forma erronea, y hay mucho que va de izquierdas pero en realidad es de derechas o de centro (al menos si no son algunas ideas y si sus formas), y por supuesto cada vez hay mas gente fasc... digo totalitaria.

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Más bien será mia la culpa por no explicarme bien
Como te digo, simplemente digo que los que van más de "demócratas" y "guays" son los peores, al menos en mi experiencia.

Las tres consignas del dia

A) Para el PP: Quiero dimisiones ya. Especialemente en Defensa y Ciencia y Teconología
B) Para el PSOE: Quiero dimisiones ya. Especialmente en la FSM y en Organización.
C) Para IU: Quiero dimisiones ya. Madrazo el primero.

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Que dimitan todos (Vaya manera más tonta de entrar en la discusión..)

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"La izquierda siempre vive en un estado de derecha" /reflexión del gran retrete.

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Es momento de sacar la calcomania del auto que dice: "No me eches la culpa yo vote por [oponente de Aznar]"





Tambien me gustaria que la gente que ha votado a Aznar ponga una pegatina en su coche: "Yo vote a la derecha, pero no tengo culpa porque asisti a [numero que corresponda] manifestacion/es en contra de la guerra"

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Que dimitan todos (Vaya manera más tonta de entrar en la discusión..)


Asi empezó Argentina

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Que dimitan todos (Vaya manera más tonta de entrar en la discusión..)


Venga J6 se valiente y empieza dimitiendo tu...

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Asi empezó Argentina


Si hes correcto!!!

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Miren esto, nunca me dio tanto miedo una rubia medianamente atractiva.

El ultimo parrafo es increible.

http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2001/091301.htm

This Is War

September 12 , 2001

BARBARA OLSON kept her cool. In the hysteria and terror of hijackers herding passengers to the rear of the plane, she retrieved her cell phone and called her husband, Ted, the solicitor general of the United States. She informed him that he had better call the FBI — the plane had been hijacked. According to reports, Barbara was still on the phone with Ted when her plane plunged in a fiery explosion directly into the Pentagon.

Barbara risked having her neck slit to warn the country of a terrorist attack. She was a patriot to the very end.

This is not to engage in the media's typical hallucinatory overstatement about anyone who is the victim of a horrible tragedy. The furtive cell phone call was an act of incredible daring and panache. If it were not, we'd be hearing reports of a hundred more cell phone calls. (Even people who swear to hate cell phones carry them for commercial air travel.)

The last time I saw Barbara in person was about three weeks ago. She generously praised one of my recent columns and told me I had really found my niche. Ted, she said, had taken to reading my columns aloud to her over breakfast.

I mention that to say three things about Barbara. First, she was really nice. A lot of people on TV seem nice, but aren't. (And some who don't seem nice, are.) But Barbara was always her charming, graceful, ebullient self. "Nice" is an amazingly rare quality among writers. In the opinion business, bitter, jealous hatred is the norm. Barbara had reason to be secure.

Second, it was actually easy to imagine Ted reading political columns aloud to Barbara at the breakfast table. Theirs was a relationship that could only be cheaply imitated by Bill and Hillary — the latter being a subject of Barbara's appropriately biting bestseller, Hell to Pay. Hillary claimed preposterously in the Talk magazine interview that she discussed policy with Bill while cutting his grapefruit in the morning. Ted and Barbara really did talk politics — and really did have breakfast together.

It's "Ted and Barbara" just like it's Fred and Ginger, and George and Gracie. They were so perfect together, so obvious, that their friends were as happy they were on their wedding day. This is more than the death of a great person and patriotic American. It's a human amputation.

Third, since Barbara's compliment, I've been writing my columns for Ted and Barbara. I'm always writing to someone in my head. Now I don't know who to write to. Ted-and-Barbara were a good muse.

Apart from hearing that this beautiful light has been extinguished from the world, only one other news flash broke beyond the numbingly omnipresent horror of the entire day. That evening, CNN reported that bombs were dropping in Afghanistan — and then updated the report to say they weren't our bombs.

They should have been ours. I want them to be ours.

This is no time to be precious about locating the exact individuals directly involved in this particular terrorist attack. Those responsible include anyone anywhere in the world who smiled in response to the annihilation of patriots like Barbara Olson.

We don't need long investigations of the forensic evidence to determine with scientific accuracy the person or persons who ordered this specific attack. We don't need an "international coalition." We don't need a study on "terrorism." We certainly didn't need a congressional resolution condemning the attack this week.

The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.

People who want our country destroyed live here, work for our airlines, and are submitted to the exact same airport shakedown as a lumberman from Idaho. This would be like having the Wehrmacht immigrate to America and work for our airlines during World War II. Except the Wehrmacht was not so bloodthirsty.

"All of our lives" don't need to change, as they keep prattling on TV. Every single time there is a terrorist attack — or a plane crashes because of pilot error — Americans allow their rights to be contracted for no purpose whatsoever.

The airport kabuki theater of magnetometers, asinine questions about whether passengers "packed their own bags," and the hostile, lumpen mesomorphs ripping open our luggage somehow allowed over a dozen armed hijackers to board four American planes almost simultaneously on Bloody Tuesday. (Did those fabulous security procedures stop a single hijacker anyplace in America that day?)

Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

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Esta situación bipartidista con el PP y el PSOE me recuerda a un capítulo de los Simpson:

No se si habéis visto ese capítulo en el que dos extraterrestres (Kang y Kodos) llegan en su platillo volante a los EEUU y secuestran a Clinton y al candidato republicano suplantándalos. Al final, en el último discurso de la campaña electoral, se descubre que son extraterrestres, pero como todo el mundo vota por demócratas o republicanos al final sale elegido Kang.

Así que terminan todos esclavizados costruyendo un monstruoso láser. Marge lógicamente esta bastante cabreada mientras trabaja, y Homer le dice:
Oye, a mí no me mires, ¡yo voté a Kodos!

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Cuando aprenda ingles la leere, de momento me tengo que quedar con vuestros comentarios acerca del parrafo

Se ha de reconocer que en España hay demasiada gente que no tiene ni idea de inglés, empezando por mi

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Cuando aprenda ingles la leere, de momento me tengo que quedar con vuestros comentarios acerca del parrafo

Se ha de reconocer que en España hay demasiada gente que no tiene ni idea de inglés, empezando por mi




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Hola, mi nombre es Alfonso y tampoco se ingles.

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No os perdéis nada.

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We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Debemos invadir sus paises, matar a sus lideres y convertirlos al cristianismo.
No fuimos detallistas a la hora de localizar y castigar solo a Hitler y sus oficiales de alto rango.
Bombardeamos en masa ciudades alemanas, asesinamos civiles. Eso es guerra, y esto es guerra.

No estoy seguro de como traducir carpet bombing

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Debemos invadir sus países, matar a sus líderes y convertirlos al cristianismo. (...) y castigar solamente a Hitler y a sus oficiales superiores. bombardear ciudades alemanas; matar a civiles. Ésa es guerra. Y ésta es guerra>>>> traduccion del ultimo parrafo

Algo así no se muy bien ingles.

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Bueno ya lo tradujo su autor.

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Bombardeo de zonas. O sea arrasar el país a pepinazos, como en la WW2 en Dresde y tal.

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No te preocupes, cuando se conecte El Awrence se va a encargar personalmente de corregirnos : P


Siguen visitando el foro los Uruguayos?
Magno y " a mi nunca me lo preguntaron" ?

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Yo no soy el autor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Gracias Thorgalaeg, lo que da miedo es que muchos yanquis piensen asi, escuche que habian dado permisos para que misioneras viajen a Iraq para llevar a cabo su labor.

 
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