28-07-2003 21:48									#1
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Not that I plan to, but of all religions I know of I've never heard of it being done.

	28-07-2003 21:50									#2
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Judaism doesn't seek converts, and usually actively discourages them. But it can be done, if you really want to do it. There are some groups that would encourage it (but few).

http://www.convertingtojudaism.com/

	28-07-2003 21:52									#3
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You study a lot about the religion, for some months, and then you pass some process. It differs from stream to stream. There are the orthodox, the conservative, and the reformists.

Of course, you can also come to Israel, and become an Israeli, but that's quite different, and you have to belong to one of the 3 confessions first, or profess a strong conection to the people of Israel.

	28-07-2003 22:19									#4
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It seems some Jews also only tolerate to see their kids marry with other Jews. If said kids decide to marry a Goyim, the parents may demand a conversion. It's rare, but it sometimes happens.

	28-07-2003 22:23									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor It seems some Jews also only tolerate to see their kids marry with other Jews. If said kids decide to marry a Goyim, the parents may demand a conversion. It's rare, but it sometimes happens.

After discussing this on Apolyton several times, its QUITE clear that those who dont "get it" are NEVER going to "get it"....... lets switch away from this topic, it isnt about exclusion but some people dont understand that.








To the original poster......... Judaism dosent activley seek converts but they are welcome. If you are serious about it, find a conservative or orthadox rabi and talk to them (If you wish to convert to reformed Judaism for some reason, buying a four dollar plastic menorah and putting it in your window one night a year will qualify, or half a night, or whatever you feel like doing if your busy eating pork that night ).

	28-07-2003 22:23									#6
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This sooo reminds me of The Big Lebowski, with Walter Sobchek, a born Polish Catholic having converted to Judaism in the process of marryinga Jewish woman, still following all those kosher rules and shabbas stuff after divorce

"What do you think Dude, you don't just stop being Jewish. "

	29-07-2003 02:47									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel You study a lot about the religion, for some months, and then you pass some process. It differs from stream to stream. There are the orthodox, the conservative, and the reformists. Of course, you can also come to Israel, and become an Israeli, but that's quite different, and you have to belong to one of the 3 confessions first, or profess a strong conection to the people of Israel.

BTW = Im not sure the Hebrew word youre translating as confessions - in the english language Israeli press I generally hear the word "trends" - here in the States we generally refer to "movements" - occasionally one hears "denominations" but this is frowned on as a misunderstanding. Confessions sounds very unJewish - i realize confession as a term for a generic religion is sometimes used in regard to Judaism (eg: should Israel be a confessional state?) but not for the movements/trends.

	29-07-2003 02:49									#8
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Go here for more info about Conservative Judaism


http://www.uscj.org/index1.html

	29-07-2003 02:52									#9
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I had no other word in mind, lotm.

	29-07-2003 02:56									#10
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I considered it for a time (after all, Jesus was trying to teach people to be better Jews, not become Christians), but I started to drift away from being religious altogether. I have been lead to believe it is not an easy process. Rabbis want to know why you would want to willingly join one of the most persecuted groups in history.

Interestingly enough, there is quite a bit of conversion in the American South, where entire evangalist congregations have been known to up and convert.

	29-07-2003 02:58									#11
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Does that mean that we're about to be flooded with rednecks?

j/k

	29-07-2003 03:00									#12
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I wonder if there is any arabs that converted to judaism (im sure theres a case if u look for it) and if there is a biase agst letting arabs into judaism.

	29-07-2003 03:03									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley How does one convert to Judaism?

First you'll need a knife, some vodka...

	29-07-2003 03:05									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Does that mean that we're about to be flooded with rednecks?

Yes, and they'll all vote Likud and try and settle the West Bank.

	29-07-2003 03:13									#15
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That explains quite a lot of what has been going on, lately.


Honestly, though, I ", have no problem with people joining "Judaism", and joining our glorious nation, as long they don't believe in god.

quote: I wonder if there is any arabs that converted to judaism (im sure theres a case if u look for it) and if there is a biase agst letting arabs into judaism.

Yes, no.

	29-07-2003 03:18									#16
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I am pretty sure mainstream Hinduism doesn't actively seek converts either.

	29-07-2003 03:28									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I considered it for a time (after all, Jesus was trying to teach people to be better Jews, not become Christians), but I started to drift away from being religious altogether. I have been lead to believe it is not an easy process. Rabbis want to know why you would want to willingly join one of the most persecuted groups in history. Interestingly enough, there is quite a bit of conversion in the American South, where entire evangalist congregations have been known to up and convert.

theres a law that says youre supposed to turn away a would be convert 3 times, and then only if he/she persists do you pursue it. The movements differ in how literally they take this, iiuc - reform, and conservative will certainly accept sincere spiritual searching as a motivation, though they are not running around trying to "save souls". You are expected to learn a good bit, but i certainly now quite a number who have managed the process.

I havent heard about entire southern congregations who have CONVERTED - i have heard of one that became a "noachide" congregation - they follow the "laws of the sons of Noah" that Judaism prescribes for gentiles. Havent heard that they want to make aliyah, so you dont have THAT to worry about, Azazel.

	29-07-2003 03:30									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Zero I wonder if there is any arabs that converted to judaism (im sure theres a case if u look for it) and if there is a biase agst letting arabs into judaism.

i think the problem there is more the reaction from the family.

	29-07-2003 03:32									#19
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Does nobody here watch "Sex and the City"?

This was a major plot point this season.

	29-07-2003 03:32									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel That explains quite a lot of what has been going on, lately. Honestly, though, I ", have no problem with people joining "Judaism", and joining our glorious nation, as long they don't believe in god.

Not much luck there, Az, heck even the Reform converts i meet are spiritually intense, and the conservative ones are often completely observant. Nah, you want more secular Jews, you're gonna have to attract more of us jews by birth.

	29-07-2003 03:34									#21
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esp. with arabs.

Trying to date an arab girl is like somewhere between holding a KKK march in Harlem, and playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in.

	29-07-2003 03:37									#22
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I am pretty sure mainstream Hinduism doesn't actively seek converts either.

makes sense, since both are "national" religions.

	29-07-2003 03:39									#23
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has noone else seen that movie?

	29-07-2003 03:40									#24
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I didn't, or at least I don't remember it.

	29-07-2003 03:40									#25
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it's fun. what did lotm say?

	29-07-2003 03:43									#26
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i didnt see the movie either

	29-07-2003 03:44									#27
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I'll restrain from silly jokes as long as at least some people actually want to continue this on a highbrow level

	29-07-2003 03:47									#28
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my brow is pretty high. esp. when I am standing.

	29-07-2003 03:51									#29
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I know. Alcohol can change that state of body quickly though. So watch out. It's less than 2 weeks.