28-07-2003 22:42									#1
	strange communication with ND.... Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

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Last edited by GhengisFarb on 28-07-2003 at 22:57

	28-07-2003 22:42									#2
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I'm slightly confused with some recent communication I've had with ND:

quote: Hi Paul, We have seen what you did and are not really pleased. some of my people are plain upset. Look, it apears to them, that you are plainly sneacking out of this war to switch sides if it turns out to go wrong. This is something i can't controll much longer i may be forced to send you a harsh protest note this turn. Maybe i can prevent this one more turn. some of them are realy pissed off. I beg you for the sake of our both nations to do something the very next turn. Otherwise this game will end bad for both of us. I write here not as a Consul but just as Darekill the person. Btw. Look at the nice Knight in Toledo! GS is in the south of Spain and mind that New Madrid is now GS too.They are probably on their way up to hit us! If we do not find the allies in you you promised to be , then something very ugly is likely to happen. Not good for noone! Paul Murray schrieb: Hi Darekill, I'm just wondering whats up for ND this turn. GoW has decided to move a bit differently to take the GS citis and has moved south and will just move south again this turn, then next turn will take them. But, we still need the grassland S of the mountain so if you leave your infantrie on the mountain that would be great. Panzer32

I also got this in reply to my first email:

quote: Hello, we have the save and things do not look good. Not good at all. GS has New Madrid and the numbers of spanish troops that we have to face now are increasing by the minute. the next bad thing is that we see a knight in Toledo. Probably there will be more of them. So I think the deal that GS has with Spain is plainly that GS takes the east front to defend it against you while Roleplay fights us. Together they belive they can possibly win against us. Then GS will give RP their citys back and take a part of our countrys. Tell me what you think of this. There is one more thing you can do for us. We can see that you are ingame not in war neither with Spain nor with GS. so you could spy out Zaragoza for us we are not sure what resistance we are facing and do not want to batter all our ansar on their deffenses. If you have the money to do this please make it we can pay for this. Your Friend in need Darekill Sent this to DK: [quote]Darekill, I'm slightly confused by some of this Could we meet in #gow to sort it out? Thanks Panzer32

	28-07-2003 22:42									#3
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sorry... poly wouldn't post it so it posted a no-post to start the thread.

	28-07-2003 22:46									#4
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What are they talking about? We declared war on Roleplay along time ago right before we passed the game on to them so as to void the MPP.

Did we, or did we not declare war on Roleplay?

	28-07-2003 22:55									#5
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Um, nope we didn't... not in-game at least.

	29-07-2003 02:05									#6
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Investigate for them if we can afford it.

Can we take both cities this turn ???
Take Bilbao, then take Toledo ?

If so..do it

	29-07-2003 02:19									#7
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I don't think we can move to take Toledo, I think the soonest we can take Toledo is next turn. But I would rather move all our units into position and if we need them all to take Toledo then use them as opposed to taking Bilboa and failing with Toledo.

	29-07-2003 03:09									#8
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btw, thanks to that road we can move to the mountain E of Toledo very easily. First, take Bilbao, then move SW - W - S.

	29-07-2003 03:42									#9
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good call mz. I am actually can see the good side. GS in the south we can handle and since any troops must be sent by water they must have his ships in the south. I am seriuosly considering a raid(if we were the vikings this would be our great moment.
Aggie

	29-07-2003 03:44									#10
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This was originally posted at MZO, chatlog of earlier chat with ND.

chatlog:

Session Start: Mon Jul 28 13:47:56 2003
Session Ident: #gow_cofa
* Now talking in #gow_cofa
* Retrieving #gow_cofa info...
* Panzer32 sets mode: +s
* Panzer32 sets mode: +k jdhg
* Trip has joined #gow_cofa
* Darekill has joined #gow_cofa
[Darekill] I'm not talking as Consul here
[Darekill] I'm private.
[Panzer32] ok
* MasterZen has joined #GoW_CoFA
[MasterZen]
[Panzer32] ok, the thing I want to ask you, Darekill, about it this:
[Panzer32] We have seen what you did and are not really pleased. some of my people are plain upset.
[Panzer32] Look, it apears to them, that you are plainly sneacking out of this war to switch sides if it turns out to go wrong.
[Panzer32] This is something i can't controll much longer i may be forced to send you a harsh protest note this turn. Maybe i can prevent this one more turn.
[Panzer32] some of them are realy pissed off. I beg you for the sake of our both nations to do something the very next turn. Otherwise this game will end bad for both of us. I write here not as a Consul but just as Darekill the person.
[Panzer32] Btw. Look at the nice Knight in Toledo! GS is in the south of Spain and mind that New Madrid is now GS too.They are probably on their way up to hit us!
[Panzer32] If we do not find the allies in you you promised to be , then something very ugly is likely to happen. Not good for noone!
[Panzer32] whats that about?
[MasterZen] yeah, what's with that?
[Darekill] that is what the situation is in ND right now.
[Panzer32] yes, but what are we doing wrong?
[Darekill] for example you told us you'd take out bilbao. You didn't
[MasterZen] we will this turn
[MasterZen] we gave GS the chance to grant us permission to pass. They refused.
[Darekill] You told us you'd declare war ingame in 10 bc
[Panzer32] our Consul of War told us to delay this turn
[Darekill] You didn't
[Darekill] how am i to explain it to my people guys
[Panzer32] oops... that must have been an oversight
[MasterZen] we were going to declare war and RP gifted those cities
[Panzer32] but it has not affected our movement at all
[MasterZen] we were poised to take out Bilbao on 10 BC
[Panzer32] its just semantics
[Darekill] Well but they keep telling me that you are likely to switch sides.
[Panzer32] thats crap
[Darekill] I tell them no wait one more Turn
[MasterZen] BULL CRAP Darekill and you know it
[Darekill] they say look at them they stay out of it again.
[MasterZen] not this turn...
[Darekill] That is giving me a hard time you know.
[Panzer32] do they not see that we CAN't attack Roleplay?
[MasterZen] there was nothing we could do the other turns, only things we could attack were GS cities, we gave them a change and they refused, now those cities will be toast
[Darekill] They see that but they tell me that you could hav at least declared war.
[MasterZen] well if it alleviates your concerns I see no problem in declaring war in-game this turn
[Panzer32] 4We declared war in the public forums.
[Darekill] It is not my point of view but it is what it looks like over here.
[Panzer32] same as we declared war against Vox when they landed
[Panzer32] remember war weariness - the later we declare war the less we get and the more productive we are for longer
[MasterZen] it is useless to declare war in-game when there's no units to hit, it wastes happiness
[Darekill] there is no war -weariness in mp...
[MasterZen] in 1.21 there is
[Panzer32] it is reduced, but there still is some
[Darekill] well however you must admit that it is hard to explain and i wrote this warning too show you how the feelings are in ND.
[Darekill] I told them that you are the one to get visited by GS vessels
[Darekill] they tell me that they do feel you are cowards.
[MasterZen] and we're going to declare war this turn against GS by taking Bilbao, is that not proof enough?
[Panzer32] here's a thread about PBEM war weariness: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?...&threadid=92121
[Darekill] I think if you go to action now then i can apease my people but they must see you act.
[Darekill] otherwise they loose the faith and that would not be good.
[MasterZen] we'll send you a pic of Bilbao in ruins
[Darekill] would be real good.
[Panzer32] ok, great
[Darekill] I've seen that the way you moved has not wastet a turn since you still can be before Toledo as soon as you planed too.
[Darekill] but some told me it was just a trick to give you one more turn to see how the tides of war turn.
[MasterZen] hahaha... will win not join RP or GS, trust me
[Panzer32] The reason we did move the way we did is that we were going to give GS one last chance to get off Bob and not help RP in the war
[MasterZen] I would quit GoW if that ever happened...
[Darekill] this is something we can not know in our forum
[MasterZen] of course
[Darekill] and many of my people don'T visit apolyton very often.
[MasterZen] honestly everyone is rather paranoid. We understand your concerns
[Darekill] one idea to change that is that i want a private forum.
[MasterZen] but like you said, they should visit the forums and see all the racket that WE'VE started
[Darekill] so they conme over more often.
[MasterZen] we've been taking 90% of the trash talking
[Panzer32] Darekill, you also say you want us to spy Zaragosa?
[MasterZen] we're the ones being called traitors and backstabbers...
[Darekill] Yes if it is still possible
[Darekill] make the best out of this situation.
[Panzer32] well we don't have an embassy but we know who does
[Darekill] is it Lego?
[Panzer32] We have a spying contract with Vox
[Darekill] What would be the costs
[Panzer32] I can't say right now. Master Zen has just mailed Vox asking about it
[MasterZen] umm, you weren't supposed to directly say who Panzer
* MasterZen slaps Panzer32 around a bit with a large trout
[Panzer32] I wasn't?
[Darekill] Ah to prevent missunderstandings like the one now maybe you could send me a note that you changed your plan before we see it in the turn
[MasterZen] Darekill, don't ever mention it is Vox
[Panzer32] I would imagine Zaragosa would be about 100 gold or so
[Darekill] hmm good expansiv but i think we pay the price.
[Darekill] I do not mention it.
* Panzer32 sets mode: +ooo Darekill MasterZen Trip
[MasterZen] Darekill, did you know that for one turn GS gifted Inchon to RP and then got it back next turn?
[Darekill] No thats new for me. when was that?
[MasterZen] during the 10 BC-10 AD turn I belive
[MasterZen] we never noticed it because the transaction occured while we didn't have the save
[MasterZen] Lego told us about it
[Darekill] Hm... what was that manouver about?
[Darekill] To get iron?
[Panzer32] we think it was a GS scheme to hurry troop movement south
[MasterZen] we believe that Inchon had a large amount of GS troops and the gifting was done to transfer troops to Eye of the Stom
[Panzer32] but we could be wrong
[Darekill] ah to teleport troops to their capitol.
[MasterZen] yep
[Darekill] That would be an exploit if you ask me.
[MasterZen] we thought the same
[Darekill] If they start playing like that we can strt making testmoves.
[MasterZen] well RP is obviously doing it too. Pamplona must be the most heavily defended city on earth
[Darekill] that is our greatest concern.
[Darekill] they have all their troops close to our front now.
[MasterZen] well, we can always take and raze every other city and leave them with only 1 city
[Darekill] GS has probably landed troops in sout spain and is heading either towards you or us.
[MasterZen] yep no doubt. Well it's better they land south than north...
[Darekill] Yes and it makes room for you in the north. thereis only one way to win this mess.
[Darekill] We must stick together through thick or thin otherwise we both might fail.
[MasterZen] as long as our homelands aren't threatened, we can at least not lose
[Panzer32] DK: of course
[Darekill] to convince my people that they can rely on you we need proof you know that now.
[Darekill] It is important that we see you act.
[MasterZen] we have been acting, except there was no-one to kill
[Darekill] Yes we seen your riders. That was enough for the first but now they demand more.
[MasterZen] well, no offense, but we have to do what is in the best interests of our war effort first and foremost, not what other teams tell us to do. We were hoping for a peaceful solution with GS but that has not happened. So now we're sick of games and will raze everything in sight
[Panzer32] or capture
[Darekill] Yes i see that. but I'm under pressure.
[MasterZen] ahh, razing is so much more delightful and evil
[Darekill] Yes.
[MasterZen] too see a city, developed after thousands of years to be destroyed completely at the touch of a button..
[Panzer32] do we have anything else to talk about?
[Darekill] no i don't think so.
[Panzer32] ok
[Darekill] expect the turn in about 12 hours.
[Panzer32] do you want me to email you the chat log?
[Darekill] Decisions have to be made.
[Panzer32] aww 12 hours... just when I'm asleep
[Darekill] no this chat has never taken place.
[MasterZen] ooh, secret chats
[Panzer32] do you mind if we post this in our forum then?
[Darekill] not exactly secret but it was just me.
[Darekill] Don'T be embarased if my team has me to send you the note.
[Darekill] It is a harsh one but ii think you know now about the how and why.
[Darekill] I'm still try to avoid it.
[Panzer32] maybe I should send you guys a copy of our revised plan?
[MasterZen] well in that case you should post the chat so they see we are not bullshitting
[Darekill] Maybe that could do some good.
[Darekill] in that case maybe but they have seen all the other logs too and still doubt. the word is paranoia...
[Panzer32] should I just send to you Darekill?
[Darekill] just like yours our homeland is not very well guarded..
[Darekill] better you send it to neudemogyptica
[Darekill] that is more official.
[Darekill] just let it look like it was your idea which it was anyway.
[Panzer32] neudemogypica@cylusion.com?
[Darekill] right.
[Darekill] neudemogyptica@cylusion.com
[Panzer32] with a t
[Panzer32] k
[Darekill] thank you for understanding me.
[Darekill] i have to go now.
[Panzer32] and I sent it
[Panzer32] bye Darekill
[Darekill] Bye
[Darekill] Thnks again.
* Darekill has left #gow_cofa

	29-07-2003 03:44									#11
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and this to the ND email:

To ND,

GoW has revised its plans slightly for the next couple turns. It involves not taking Bilbao the turn as planned but one turn later. It does not delay the rest of the plan.

We have done this because we wanted to give GS one last chance to leave Bob/Borconia without us going to war. Now we see that GS will not leave so we are attacking now. Soon to come will be a picture of razed Bilbao which I believe you will like

Panzer32
Emperor of the Glory of War.

(along with a small map).

	29-07-2003 04:19									#12
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I just hope we are not be played for a fool.