29-07-2003 02:45									#1
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I have yet to se a Great Leader. OK I have only played one half game yet, but at this point I'm nearing the modern age, and I have still to produce a single Great Leader. Is there some prerequsit that I've missed.

I have several Elite units, some og whom have defeated more than 4 barbarian units in the same turn, defending a mountain or city.

I have not killed all that many civ-owned units, since I try to avoid conflict, and go for scientific expansion.

	29-07-2003 05:31									#2
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Sometimes they appear and sometimes they don't. There is a chance everytime an Elite unit wins a engagement that a Great Leader will be created (I beleive it is 1/16). Building the Heroic Epic increases this chance. However, just because you flip a coin 100 times doesn't mean you will get 50 heads. Some people get many great leaders in a game and some get none. It is very possible to play an entire game and not get one great leader.

	29-07-2003 13:55									#3
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You will not get a great leader from defeating barbarians. It is only possible when one of your elites defeats a unit from another civ.

	29-07-2003 18:48									#4
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Thanks for catching that Cerberus. I didn't realize he said he was fighteing barbs.

	29-07-2003 20:16									#5
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Thanks, was afraid it was somthing like that. Looks like I'll have to get me a real war, with that French "saint".

She's a pain in the lover backside of the body, but a little to powerfull for me to just walk over and bash her. It'll take some planning.

	14-08-2003 23:15									#6
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BTW Heroic Epic does not directly increase chance of leaders, only the chance of promotions. Indirectly that does increase the number of elites and hence the chances of leaders.
Note that a unit can not generate another leader, once it has done so at that grade. IOW, you could promote the unit and it could work its way back to elite and a leader.