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1 hour, 14 minutes ago
By Alastair Macdonald



TIKRIT, Iraq (Reuters) - An audio tape purportedly from former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) broadcast on Tuesday vowed to defeat the United States to avenge the deaths of his two sons by U.S. forces.

"I mourn to you the deaths of Uday and Qusay and those who struggled with them... America will be defeated," said the voice on the tape, aired by Dubai-based al Arabiya television.

"They...died martyrs in the name of jihad (holy war)," the voice said.

The speech was rambling, breaking off in mid-sentence on occasions, but a Reuters correspondent familiar with Saddam's voice said it sounded like the deposed dictator. The CIA (news - web sites) said it was trying to determine whether the tape was genuine.

A number of tapes purportedly from Saddam have been broadcast in the past few weeks, but this was the first to refer to the killing of his two sons by U.S. troops last Tuesday in a bloody raid on a villa in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

The U.S. military said troops hunting Saddam had captured three key figures loyal to the former Iraqi leader, including a top bodyguard, and were closing in on Saddam himself.

Major Josslyn Aberle told Reuters one of the captured Saddam loyalists put up a brief struggle and that two gunshots were heard as the raid began in the area of Saddam's home town of Tikrit, north of Baghdad. There were no U.S. casualties.

Television pictures filmed through a night vision lens showed a man being escorted from a building by U.S. soldiers, blood seeping through a blindfold.

U.S. troops believe Saddam may be hiding somewhere in the Tigris valley of dusty tomato fields and orchards.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage said U.S. forces nearly captured Saddam in raids on Monday near Tikrit.

"I think most people feel...the noose is tightening pretty regularly around the neck of Saddam Hussein," he told CNN.

US SAYS INFORMATION FLOWING ON SADDAM

Officers say that after Saddam's feared sons were killed last week -- and Washington promised to pay an Iraqi informant a $30 million reward -- many more Iraqis were coming forward with information on Saddam himself.

The United States is offering $25 million for information leading to the arrest or proof of death of Saddam, toppled from power by U.S.-led forces on April 9.

Washington hopes finding Saddam would help end a guerrilla campaign that has killed 50 U.S. troops since President Bush (news - web sites) declared major combat over on May 1.

The U.S. military blames die-hard Saddam loyalists for the attacks, and some officers had said they hoped the killing of Uday and Qusay would demoralize anti-American assailants.

But 11 U.S. soldiers have been killed in attacks since Saddam's sons died in a barrage of machinegun fire, grenades, rockets and anti-tank missiles as they mounted a last stand with AK-47 assault rifles.




Washington hopes tentative efforts at self-rule will appease Iraqis who dislike the U.S. occupation, but the 25 U.S. appointees on an Iraqi Governing Council seem to have been making slow progress.

The Council agreed on Tuesday that its presidency would rotate among nine members, ending two weeks of heated discussion over who should be in charge.

A source at the Council said the decision, taken after a six-hour meeting, reflected the members' "wish to share responsibilities in this sensitive period."

Choosing a leader was supposed to be one of the first tasks of the Council, which held its first meeting on July 13 and is seen in Washington as a first step toward a democratic government in Iraq (news - web sites) after the war to topple Saddam.

The nine include Iraqi National Congress head Ahmed Chalabi, heads of two Kurdish parties, Iyad Allawi of the Iraqi National Accord, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim of the Shi'ite Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, Ibrahim Jaafari of the Da'wa Party and Muhsin Abdul Hameed of the Iraqi Islamic Party.

Adnan Pachachi, a former foreign minister who has returned from exile, and Muhammed Bahr al-Uloum, an Islamic scholar, are also on the list.

The Council has the power to name and dismiss ministers, approve the 2004 budget and decide policy on economic and electoral reform, but final control of Iraq still rests with the U.S. civilian administrator in Baghdad, Paul Bremer.

In Washington, Republican and Democrat members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee accused the Bush administration of not spelling out costs in Iraq and of focusing on its role in terrorism to the exclusion of other threats.

Echoing comments by a U.S. military commander this week that Iraq was becoming a magnet for foreign terrorists targeting Americans, U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said: "Right now it is where (the war on terror is) being fought..."










Maybe the little pansy will come out and fight now.
Nah.

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Nah, he is a coward, he'll send somebody else to do it.

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i hope it was him. i hope that bastard is still alive. i want to see his ass dragged from the back of a bradley, live, on FOXNEWS.

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The only thing this little **** will get is a trial by Iraqis and he will be sentenced to death. For example, remember that occurrance against the former Romanian Dictator? I want him to get lynched and beaten, and displayed out in Baghdad hanged like Mussolini.

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The only thing this little **** will get is a trial by Iraqis and he will be sentenced to death. For example, remember that occurrance against the former Romanian Dictator? I want him to get lynched and beaten, and displayed out in Baghdad hanged like Mussolini.


you think the US forces that find him will do that? i mean, ideally this would be a triumph for the iraqi people, but do you think that when it comes to a spec op choosing to shoot to kill or shoot to maim, that he will choose thusly?

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Well, at least he now convinced the Iraqis still in doubt that the dead guys really were Uday and Qusay.

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I'd like to have someone do a voice analysis of that tape.

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"I mourn to you the deaths of Uday and Qusay and those who struggled with them... America will be defeated,"




That is the funniest thing I have heard all day!

I had a friend who use to hide behind everyone and yell insults over our sholders at other people... Notice I said 'had'

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Saddam Hussein doesn't have a hair one on his ass.

Duel with Bush. HA!

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you think the US forces that find him will do that? i mean, ideally this would be a triumph for the iraqi people, but do you think that when it comes to a spec op choosing to shoot to kill or shoot to maim, that he will choose thusly?


If I find him I wouldn't shoot him. I'd take him and tie wire around his neck and hang him in the center of Baghdad to set an example. I then would like to see thousands and thousands of liberated Iraqis throw their shoes at his body.

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I'd pay to watch that action.

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Yeah, that sets a real good example for how rule of law is supposed to work .

Maybe you could stuff him full of Jolly Ranchers and make a pinata out of him while you're at it

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Oooh, I like Jolly Ranchers... Fez, do that instead

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Yeah, that sets a real good example for how rule of law is supposed to work .

Maybe you could stuff him full of Jolly Ranchers and make a pinata out of him while you're at it


When it comes to a bastard like Saddam there are no rules on how to deal with him. I personally would then cut him down after he is knocked with a couple thousand shoes and let Iraqis drag his body throughout the streets tie to the end of a pick up truck.

We can hire Mexicans to make look a like Saddam pinatas for the Iraqi people. It would become a big business.

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I don't have kids but I'm guessing seeing pictures of two of their corpses paraded around I wouldn't be best pleased.

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I don't have kids but I'm guessing seeing pictures of two of their corpses paraded around I wouldn't be best pleased.


Saddam is probably really pissed off.. that is good.. in the Art of War by Sun Tzu it says when the enemy leader is angry he will make rash decisions. That was a damn good move.

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When it comes to a bastard like Saddam there are no rules on how to deal with him.


And the next guy who gets his corpse dragged thru the street might happen to be the guy the US supports. But, hey, we let it ride the first time, right?

If he doesnt want to be taken alive, then smoke him, otherwise set the right example for a future client sta..err democracy.

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And the next guy who gets his corpse dragged thru the street might happen to be the guy the US supports. But, hey, we let it ride the first time, right?

If he doesnt want to be taken alive, then smoke him, otherwise set the right example for a future client sta..err democracy.


Are you a communist?

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Are you a communist?


Vive la revolution!

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I definitely think that one of the reasons to publish those photos was to piss off Saddam.

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Fez, If you ever became the leader of a country, I would be running for the nearest border in sheer, abject terror.

It's far better for a burgeoning democracy to try its leaders in a court than resort to vigilantism.

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I would make a wonderful leader. People have total freedom to rule their own lives. As long as it's in total service to me.

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Jac, we may hold out hope of a legal system that resembles ours, but we can't mandate it.
That's U.S. interference.
Can't have that.

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Fez, If you ever became the leader of a country, I would be running for the nearest border in sheer, abject terror.

It's far better for a burgeoning democracy to try its leaders in a court than resort to vigilantism.


Well then, maybe we should just let the people of Iraq give a trial like that of the late Romanian Dictator. I don't have a problem with that. You know he will be executed either way.

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Jac, we may hold out hope of a legal system that resembles ours, but we can't mandate it.
That's U.S. interference.
Can't have that.



Technically, doesn't invasion count as 'interferance'?

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Technically, doesn't invasion count as 'interferance'?


Bad redfern! Not agreeing with Tony Blair I see?

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Bad redfern! Not agreeing with Tony Blair I see?


I seem to agree with about half the things he does.

Not the worst leader, but not the best either...

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I seem to agree with about half the things he does.

Not the worst leader, but not the best either...


What do you think of Winston Churchill?

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Well, once again, when Hussein the candyass broke the cease-fire agreement, it was no longer interferance.

You can listen to the commie-wannabes if you want.
WOMD was not the key issue.

 
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