30-07-2003 07:06									#1
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Yeah I know its been out for a long time but I was at the PX today and was in a buying mood and happen to see EU2 there for a mere 19.95. So I bought it. I played around with it a bit and started my first serious game as Spain. There are lots of things to get used to but I think I will be able to manage. I thought I was cruising along until Denmark decided to start pissing me off.

One question. I got a message saying that this or that country has changed religions and that all treaties were broken. But the deal was that they changed to Catholic. Wouldn't that please Spain?

	30-07-2003 12:42									#2
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Yes, it would and does (your relations to that country goes up) but the change still breaks the ongoing treaties you or any other may have with them. Could time to pick them up into your alliance.

	30-07-2003 17:52									#3
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Well, actually if they change to your religion treaties don't get broken. Were you counterreform?

	30-07-2003 19:58									#4
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By the way, counterreform religions seems like a nonsense to me.

	31-07-2003 06:45									#5
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Counterreform gives some damn good advantages, just please don't convert your catholic provs to counter provs. Plus the benefits of an extra slider (IIRC in v1.5) for religion can help a multi-relig. empire (Spain, Austria)

	31-07-2003 11:16									#6
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I think Heresson was talking about from a historical perspective.

	31-07-2003 16:55									#7
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	31-07-2003 20:57									#8
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quote: Originally posted by gopher Counterreform gives some damn good advantages, just please don't convert your catholic provs to counter provs. Plus the benefits of an extra slider (IIRC in v1.5) for religion can help a multi-relig. empire (Spain, Austria)

I am currently playing as Castile and just conquered Grenada. Should I not try to convert them.

	31-07-2003 22:26									#9
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Castile/Spain will get events to drive out the muslims, you don't need to convert.

	02-08-2003 05:55									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Araanor Castile/Spain will get events to drive out the muslims, you don't need to convert.

Cool. Thanks for the info

	03-08-2003 02:47									#11
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You should be aware that you don't have to vassalize and annex Aragon on your own. In fact, that would be stupid, as you get the vassalization by an event, and the annexation AND CB-shields later. The CB-shields are only possible to get by this. Note that it is a small possiblility(15 % for each event IIRC) that Aragon choose not to unite with you. If so, bad luck!

	02-10-2003 15:18									#12
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Those Castilian events are a bit shyte though, you'll lose population, manpower and tax base

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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 Well, actually if they change to your religion treaties don't get broken. Were you counterreform?

To my knowledge any time a country changes religion it breaks all alliances and treaties. It doesn't matter if it changes to your religion or a different religion.

Counter Reformed does seem like historical nonsense.

	02-10-2003 15:47									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Those Castilian events are a bit shyte though, you'll lose population, manpower and tax base

True, but changing the religion and later the culture of those proviences is well worth it in my opinion. It certainly lowers your stability costs.

	02-10-2003 16:24									#15
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It certainly does, but is it worth it? Someone should do the math here...

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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I am currently playing as Castile and just conquered Grenada. Should I not try to convert them.

You get an event later where you can do that.

	04-10-2003 15:33									#17
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