31-07-2003 13:25									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos And speaking of the chinese i noticed the PA has only two unique units. Just a fighter and an infantry.

My friend, that may change.
The PA are a kind of supporting civ, but I may give them an upgrade air unit or another ground unit...

	31-07-2003 13:29									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Art of War also, Curt, i'd make the decks of the carriers metal, instead of wood...it's the 80s.

Good point, I kind of like that pastel deck colour though!

I'll see about editing it...

	31-07-2003 16:47									#33
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I have updated the units file...

	01-08-2003 00:44									#34
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Wow, looks like a very good scenario-to-be!!! I really like these alternative history-scenario's.

I just don't like the UFA Super Carrier graphic, it's just like two carriers have collided.

For the rest it sounds very good!!!!!

	01-08-2003 01:32									#35
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Well, if you don't like it, you can go the Eternal Reich or Red Empire, and sink the big tub!

Personally, think Harry's Super CV rocks...

	02-08-2003 20:48									#36
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Ahhh! some spoke ill of my carrier. Where's my blankee?

	03-08-2003 03:34									#37
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Curt, if Russia is intended to be a "minor" power, why are there so many Russian units versus the Pacific Alliance?

	03-08-2003 17:17									#38
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe Curt, if Russia is intended to be a "minor" power, why are there so many Russian units versus the Pacific Alliance?

It is a triumvirate of evil...

The Red Empire, UFA and the Eternal Reich...


Icons, etc coming soon...

	03-08-2003 17:20									#39
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Working on the map and techs right now...

	03-08-2003 17:34									#40
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I'm seriously thinking of including an African and an Australian civ this time.

Low powered but playable...
With an UU infantry and air unit...
Perhaps able to get UFA or Reich weapons via events and research.

What do y'all think>

	03-08-2003 20:01									#41
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so a evil dictator has united Africa? Case that won't happend in a democratic way..

	03-08-2003 20:01									#42
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Since South Africa was and is the leading power on the African continent, I'm assuming that would've been included (plus it would be interesting to see the South Africans attempt to build their own miniature empire in the south)

South Africa and Australia would be excellent additions, Curt. All the more power to you.

	04-08-2003 01:59									#43
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mmmm......

It all depends i think, on what would realistically be the future of the British Commonwealth had Germany won the WW2.

I'd bet that they would all remain under the British flag.

But a cool idea for a civ IMO would be an EX-British commonwealth(Australia, Egypt, South Africa etc) seeking to restore the might of the once proud British Empire.They could f.e reinstate slave trade to build up their industry, indulge to piracy and expand in Africa after the defeated french, belgians etc departed.
Colonial imperialism from the begining.
They could antagonize with the Pacific alliance for control in the Pacific.

Rule Britania.......

Last edited by Palaiologos on 04-08-2003 at 02:05

	04-08-2003 02:09									#44
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One of the reasons Hitler didn't want war with England anyway was that her immense wealth and power would not be passed down to the Germans after her defeat but to the Russians, Japanese and Americans.
Germany had no colonial interests and the Commonwealth nations were outside her sphere of influence.

So why should German youths die for someone else's profit?

	04-08-2003 02:21									#45
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I think you should combine both ideas..have an African Empire that controls middle and south africa, and have the Commonwealth Imperium (the name is just for old times' sake, no real significance) centered in Australia, controling north africa and parts of the mid-east....just some thoughts..

	04-08-2003 02:50									#46
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Interesting ideas. I'd go for Canada as the base of this resurgent British Empire, as it had the largest population and industrial base of the Dominians. Apologies to the Aussies out there!

	04-08-2003 04:42									#47
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I don't know, I think I'd like to play a game as a separate single state like South Africa or Australia.

	04-08-2003 06:09									#48
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I think that with the fall of London in german hands, the british colonies all over the world will no longer have to mantain their loyalty to the british crown!
I think that it would be a great chance to gain independence and create their own empires in Africa, Asia, etc.
If i were you, I would include Southafrica and India

	04-08-2003 06:23									#49
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Having South Africa as a playable power would be quite interesting; with the fall of Great Britain they could have been left to their own devices. If I remember correctly they were pretty ingenious down there, even developing a nuclear weapons program in spite of an arms embargo...

In this alternate world maybe South Africa could have expanded into the vacuum left by the collapse of the colonial powers, advancing as far as the Sahara. Of course, in keeping with the 'no nice guys' theme of this scenario, a twisted system of apartheid is applied over the whole continent of Africa.

Curt, have you ever read a book called "The Man In The High Castle" by Philip K. ****? It's about what the world could possibly be like if Germany won the Second World War. It might be worth checking out to see if it gives you any ideas.

	04-08-2003 06:41									#50
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quote: Originally posted by academia I think that with the fall of London in german hands, the british colonies all over the world will no longer have to mantain their loyalty to the british crown! I think that it would be a great chance to gain independence and create their own empires in Africa, Asia, etc. If i were you, I would include Southafrica and India

I personally believe that this would matter not, the colonies would propably grind their teeth and swear everlasting loyalty to the Brits. Most of their residents you see were of English stock(and more importantly their goverments).

What could happen that could be perceived as independance would be the withdrawal of their respective forces from the general allied planning to the protection of their own countries.
Ausies and new zealanders f.e would prefer to defend their own lands from the Japanese than fight the Germans in Europe.


Apartheid?

Evil but not evil enough,
An even more twisted evil eventuality would be the return of the slave trade.

	04-08-2003 06:52									#51
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Interesting ideas. I'd go for Canada as the base of this resurgent British Empire, as it had the largest population and industrial base of the Dominians. Apologies to the Aussies out there!

True.In an eventuality of a sucessfull German invasion the plan was to evacuate the royal family to Canada.
Correct?

	10-08-2003 05:11									#52
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Curt, we haven't heard from you in a while on this...how's it going?

	10-08-2003 18:42									#53
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In this case as Germany succeded in its plans - you should rename Berlin to Germania and give it a special wonder.
Who knows more about the "Germania"- plans?
Perhaps give the citys a retro Ancient touch.

And dont forget that a succesful Geman Reich should have a billions of Russian Slaves after having conquered territories till the Ural.

Even dont forget about the "Lebensraum" thing - we are in the future now and these old plans should have reached to something.

	10-08-2003 18:46									#54
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Yeah. If Operation Barbarosa was successful, Germany would've conquered Middle East and then the oil would be in their hands.

	10-08-2003 23:54									#55
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Actually i don't think that had Germany won WW2 the reich would be so expanded.They would propably just take Alsace-lorraine in the west, "officially" unite with Austria and just grab some territory from the Polocks and Czechs(namely Prussia and Sudeten, teritories which were historically theirs anyway).

As for the situation in the east they would have a series of vassal states propably the Baltics, Ukraine, and Poland as a buffer.against the Russians The Caucasus oil fields would be economically controlled by the Germans, but that their borders would actually expand up to there is doubtfull. Same goes with the Middle east-economical control, but apart from that little else.

	14-08-2003 17:28									#56
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Yip!

I'm back on the ball with this one after a break from CIV2, due to loads of artwork priorities and boring real-life activities.

This evil baby is not being neglected no more!

And anyone waiting on artwork are first in line for my attention, your roman stuff is my first, mission, Pericles!

	14-08-2003 23:18									#57
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I read somewhere that if the Reich had won the war, the capitol of the Reich would've been Prague, not Berlin...

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quote: Originally posted by Art of War I read somewhere that if the Reich had won the war, the capitol of the Reich would've been Prague, not Berlin...

Sorry to correct you, Art of War.

Following the successful end of the war within 15 years Hitler´s preferred architect Albert Speer had to rebuild Berlin into Germania, the capital of the world reigning power, the Greater German Empire.

Next to the Brandenburg Gate, vis-à-vis of the Reichstag, there should be a gigantic hall, 300m high with space for 180.000 persons, crowned by the German Reichsadler. From that hall a 120m broad parade street, 5 kilometers long should mark the axis of the world´s capital. Tanks, Artillery Pieces and other military hardware should mark this parade street and lead the way to a Triumph Bow, 120m high containing some "National Sanctuary".

Some additional notes to that plans: Hitler was only interested in those "monuments of imperial power" while Speer also wanted to reorganise the entire city, not only these mega-building, including also residental areas and a restrucured railway system.
Hitler also acted in a very, very cynical way in this case as he said to Speer one day about the damage the allied bombers were doing to Berlin that it would be good because after the war there would be fewer problems because of the rubble. No-one would like to live there anymore.

After the war, during his time in prison, Speer wrote his memoirs and confessed that after looking at those plans (of Germania) he felt terrified and disgusted because of the vast areas without live.

For additional info: Please feel free to ask!

P.S.: Hope this helps!

	16-08-2003 02:54									#59
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Suppose Japan collapsed and US withdrew from the pacific, who controls the area they occupied in S/E Asia-Indian/Pacific ocean? Its hard to imagine China would ever raise a blue water navy to take it over. That would take decades. What if China took over the remnants of Japanese seapower (imagine a single super-Yamato ultra-battleship,Mao or Shi Huang Ti- the first Chinese emperor- class), and is fighting for the Pacific against the Australians?

	16-08-2003 14:52									#60
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@jim panse:

This is what I had in mind! Berlin is now called Germania!

@tanelorn:
The Pacific alliance is a huge creature, true it has not much of a navy or many modern weapons, but that is up to the player to improve!

Clashes with the Australian Federation will be on the cards!