31-07-2003 12:27									#1
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	01-08-2003 02:01									#2
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We've been saying this for 3 turns now, but I think this turn may be the most important one.

- we'll find out if ND attacked our mega-stack
- we'll should be able to retake Leon, and move between Zaragoza/Santiago*
- we'll see what ND shipped to Sevilla
- we'll see the aftermath of the GoW assault on GS at
Toledo

*This will force ND to attack the mega-stack or watch it head northwards.

Everyone cross your fingers and pray!

	01-08-2003 09:28									#3
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"mega-stack"

It's impressive, but not "mega" material.

	01-08-2003 21:12									#4
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Yup. I'd call it the Nice and Semi Scary stack... We should also rename a unit calling it General of Army #3 or something to try and get them to think that this is one of three such stacks. Doubt it will work but... well... use any and all means at ones dispsal.

	01-08-2003 22:30									#5
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Good idea GK!

Let's get those Arabs on the retreat!

	02-08-2003 20:55									#6
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GoW just received the save, which means we'll likely receive it sometime today.

Unfortunately, I am going to my cousin's son's 5th birthday day party. While the party is only scheduled for a few hours, typically once my wife and I are over there, we don't get away until late evening.

So expect the turn chat (to play the save) at the earliest, late tonight, or perhaps tomorrow morning.

I'm off to teach a bunch of screaming 5yr olds how to have fun and make their parents deaf.

	03-08-2003 08:54									#7
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Save is here, we'll play tomorrow morning.

50AD save

Bad news:
-Zaragoza has fallen (of course)
-an ND Scout has pillaged the road NW, NW of Pamplona
-There are 2 Ansars NW, NW of Sevilla
-We did not receive Chivalry or gold from GS this turn

Good news:
-none, really

Toledo did not fall to GoW Riders. However, the fact that GS did not gift us Chiv, gold, or New Madrid back this turn is suspicious - have they been stringing us along the whole time, or perhaps switched sides? As I missed the last chat, perhaps the timelines and plans changed and I'm not aware of it - I'd appreciate any insight others could provide.

Top concerns for this turn:
1) Do we attack Leon with everything we have? As our stack could not reach Zaragoza, ND could have put every available unit towards the defense of Leon. An option would be to attack with a portion of the stack and send the rest up to Zaragoza. This would force them to split their defensive forces.

2) We have 1 spear/1 warrior in Sevilla - it is highly unlikely they will survive a 2 Ansar attack. We have another warrior we could add to the city defense this turn. Suggestions? With 3 targets, they at least would be unable to take the city this turn. However, we might consider fleeing those units towards Merida to make a stand there - it has a pikeman at least.

	03-08-2003 17:35									#8
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quote: have they been stringing us along the whole time, or perhaps switched sides?

I say...

Why is it that I wouldn't be too surprised by this?

	03-08-2003 17:46									#9
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Just my opinion: They are very likely to have everything in Leon, so it would be a bit of suicide to attack them.

	03-08-2003 19:59									#10
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We need to contact GS ASAP. Find out what happened. If they are switching sides we are done, though we didn't have that much choice to begin with.. My gut feeling that what they are doing. If they don't it Next turn either then we will know thats what they are doing....

	03-08-2003 20:38									#11
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I contacted OPD for a small chat (I know I acted incorrectly and I am ready to be punished if needed be) but I think I´ve done nothing wrong.

quote: Session Start: Sun Aug 03 12:11:42 2003 Session Ident: opdaway NuclearisWinterius> opd NuclearisWinterius> can we chat a bit NuclearisWinterius> ? opdaway> ok opdaway> whats up? NuclearisWinterius> Regarding the PTWDG NuclearisWinterius> we didn´t receive chivalry last turn NuclearisWinterius> neitehr teh gold opdaway> and GS were supposed to send you it? NuclearisWinterius> yes NuclearisWinterius> and new madrid NuclearisWinterius> can you check it in your forum fro me please? opdaway> ok that would be turn 130? opdaway> ok turn 130 you offered us New madrid and 79g NuclearisWinterius> a second, checking opdaway> and monarchy NuclearisWinterius> yes NuclearisWinterius> it is 50 A.D. this turn opdaway> one comment saying we shouldn't worry about which tiles are being wroked as NM will be given back shortly opdaway> Hmmmn NuclearisWinterius> hmm, I guess I must have mistaken the turn NuclearisWinterius> but I guess the gold was for that turn opdaway> Deep oh is saying we are keeping on to it untill the workers finish the road? opdaway> *DeepO NuclearisWinterius> okee dokee opdaway> ahh have we built the city yet? NuclearisWinterius> i dunno NuclearisWinterius> you guys got chivalry already, right NuclearisWinterius> ? opdaway> yes NuclearisWinterius> you guys got chivalry already, right NuclearisWinterius> NuclearisWinterius> ? NuclearisWinterius> opdaway> yes opdaway> lol NuclearisWinterius> lol opdaway> whose is the other room? NuclearisWinterius> eh? opdaway> you copying this into another irc channel? NuclearisWinterius> no, when I do that I use the log files opdaway> ah ok opdaway> theres a message asking whats going on with RP this turn opdaway> you've had the save for half a day and still no word NuclearisWinterius> Togas left for a trip, so we were working on slow speed and kind of out of contact NuclearisWinterius> we were kind of expecting to upgrade some knights... NuclearisWinterius> is there anyone from your team online? opdaway> I'll give NYE a prod NuclearisWinterius> well it´s ok opdaway> sorry I can't be of more help NuclearisWinterius> NP opdaway> send a pm to shiber NuclearisWinterius> we just got a bit sad coz we had some plans for the knights already NuclearisWinterius> you want me to Pm shiber or are you saying you are sending a PM to shiber? opdaway> you pm him NuclearisWinterius> ok

I am not PMing Shiber, Pms are more oficial (I suggest saomeone who is a diplomat really takes care of this matter soon), I guess this chat didn´t cause any problem and even helped spain a bit. If I did anything wrong please let me know what was it, I´ll try my best to correct it and I´ll accept any punishment the team finds fit.

	03-08-2003 20:53									#12
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Aeson is online, if someone form our team is still here, can chat to him

	03-08-2003 21:38									#13
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We had a power outage last night. After much investigation (software, cables, resets), I just finally figured out that it killed a port on my router.

Thankfully I have a couple spare ones, so I'm reconnected.

I'm in chat.

	03-08-2003 23:22									#14
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Okay, I'm in civ3rp and milOps. NW is here, along with nathan and zeit from GS.

We're going to start the cat bombardment.

	04-08-2003 04:45									#15
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NuclearWinter, mrmitchell and WhiteBandit made appearances at the chat, which was otherwise just myself, some GS members (Aeson, nbarclay, nye, Zeit, Shiber), and Trip.

Builds
Pamplona completes Horseman, starts Pike
Sevilla completes Warrior, starts Spear
Merida completes Pike, starts Pike
Cordoba completes Warrior, starts Spear

GoW Scouting
Moved a horse from Pamp 966 and then back to Pamp - this scouting uncovered the GoW Riders (all 14 of them) 2 (S) from Toledo. Only one has been damaged by the GS Cats - the elite is at 4/5.

Leon Attack

Pre-Bombardment:
Order of the True Cross - attacked a 4/4 Pike - lost - took foe down to 2/4 - 4/4 forted Pike showing

Bombardment:
3rd Cat killed Leon citizens
4th Cat hit a Pike (down to 3/4 - 4/4 forted Pike showing)
And the rest Failed.

Post-Bombardment:
Order of the Jaguar - attacked a 4/4 Pike - lost - took foe down to 3/4 - 3/4 forted Pike showing

The Crusaders - attacked a 3/4 Pike - lost - took foe down to 1/4, but it got promoted (2/5) - 3/4 forted Pike showing

Christ's Martyrs - attacked a 3/4 Pike - won - no HP lost - 4/4 forted MedInf showing

Brotherhood of the Sacred Cup - attacked 4/4 MedInf - won - down to 2/4 - 4/4 forted Ansar showing

Inquistion of the faithful - attacked 4/4 Ansar - won - down to 3/4 - 4/4 forted Ansar showing

Order of the Holy Spirit - attacked 4/4 Ansar - won - down to 1/4 - 4/4 forted MedInf showing

The Templars - attacked 4/4 MedInf - won - down to 1/3, got promoted (2/4) - 3/3 unforted MedInf showing

Spanish Martyrs - attacked 3/3 MedInf - lost - foe lost no HP

Pikes of Innocence - attacked Scout - won

Leon stack is now:
7 Pikes, 2 reg (all healthy)
8 Cats
6 MedInf (4/4, 3/4, 2/4, 2/4, 2/5, 1/4)

Sevilla area
Moved warrior into Sevilla
Forted Pike in Merida
Move Pike 1 tile out of Salamanca, in case needed in Merida
Moved 3 workers deep into mountains for their safety

Naval
Santa Maria 4/4 - attacked 3/3 GoW galley - lost - took foe down to 1/3

We are still Average to ND, Weak to GoW

	04-08-2003 04:51									#16
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World Map


Demographics


Histograph (Power)


Wonders (will GoW beat Lego to Sistine?)

	04-08-2003 16:31									#17
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At least we are still average to ND. This, and the wise leadership of General Dejon gives us some hope.

	04-08-2003 18:59									#18
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Senor Fernandez,

Well, it doesn't give us too much hope at all, really. But oh well. I wonder who would be better to join? Roleplay-wise, that is? Gathering Storm, Legoland, or Glory of War?!

	04-08-2003 22:07									#19
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I think things are getting better tahn never... We will get our Paladins next turn, and I shall guide them personally to victory. And we are finnaly back on the offense! EVEN if we happen to fall (although unlikely) I have my own plans of joining either Legoland or GatheringStorm. Maybe even Vox, really.Though never the heathens or the warmonmongers.

	05-08-2003 07:25									#20
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I have complaints.

There are currently 2 pikemen and 1 spearman stationed near Vigo. Let me just ask: is there anyway these soldiers can possibly become any more useless!?

If we had a med inf or two with them then that would be a threat to the invaders and they would have to draw resources from other fronts to keep it. As it is they took Vigo with ONE med inf, and are garrisoning it with ONE pikeman. Am I the only one who sees the folly in this? Currently our defenders are just standing around as lookouts! Waste of weaponry?
And to top it off they havent even been able to stop the ansars moving through the mountains, or at least given fair warning so we could defend our WEAK south.

Get some offensive units to Vigo, put a healthy med inf on a mountain and some of the damaged ones with him, the enemy wont attack an army on the mountains and we can open a second front!

	05-08-2003 08:10									#21
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quote: Originally posted by LzPrst I have complaints. There are currently 2 pikemen and 1 spearman stationed near Vigo. Let me just ask: is there anyway these soldiers can possibly become any more useless!? If we had a med inf or two with them then that would be a threat to the invaders and they would have to draw resources from other fronts to keep it. As it is they took Vigo with ONE med inf, and are garrisoning it with ONE pikeman. Am I the only one who sees the folly in this? Currently our defenders are just standing around as lookouts! Waste of weaponry? And to top it off they havent even been able to stop the ansars moving through the mountains, or at least given fair warning so we could defend our WEAK south. Get some offensive units to Vigo, put a healthy med inf on a mountain and some of the damaged ones with him, the enemy wont attack an army on the mountains and we can open a second front!

Your post shows you haven't been attending chats, or paying attention to turn reports.

1) We cannot know what the Vigo assault force was, but we are fairly certain it included the two Ansars we now see in the south. They were shipped via galley - they didn't go through the mountains. We knew they were coming.

2) I agree, those units are useless other the scouts at the moment. However, moving them will only likely expedite their death by calling attention to them. For now, it is useful, although minor, to keep a lookout on the coast and the mountain path.

As for the rest of your post, you plainly do not have a good grasp a) of our past and current resources; b) the tactics to survive war with an enemy with far superior manueverability; or c) how far down the list Vigo would be on our optimistic short-term objectives.

Sorry if I'm a bit defensive here, I do encourage feedback and input. You (and everyone else) are more than welcome to volunteer ideas in future turn threads and turn chats. Keep in mind that the unpredictability of war means that planning can't really be done prior to recieving the save, so the best way to help out is to attend turn chats. Right now the strategy gurus from Gathering Storm are outnumbering us each turn in #milOps, and I'd love to see more Spanish faces, and ideas.

	05-08-2003 21:59									#22
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Would someone please spell this GS scenario out? What is happening? Are they indeed turning, or did they just make a little...error?

Good Lord! Christ's Martyrs?! Those are my boys! What have they done to my boys?!

GEN. DEJON: General Calamari...you must reform your division...General Calamari...Look to your division, sir...

GEN. CALAMARI: General Deeeejon...I 'ave no division...

(drum roll...close-up on Dejon's shocked facial features...)