01-08-2003 00:00									#31
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quote: He is a rather large man and if he were simply a little vigorous in his approach, some injuries are possible.

I guess some of us know Kobe a little better than the rest of us.

	01-08-2003 00:01									#32
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Hell, there's a lot of vagina trauma every time I have sex with my girlfriend...

(not joking either)

EDIT: Ok, not a lot... but usually some.

	01-08-2003 00:03									#33
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Ever wonder why your girlfriend gets soar sometimes? That's the vaginal trauma he's talking about.

	01-08-2003 00:07									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Hell, there is a small amount of "vaginal trama" every time a woman has sex.

Very true if things like "soreness" the next day qualify as trauma.

	01-08-2003 00:18									#35
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No, I was talking about tearing... that is trauma.

	01-08-2003 00:35									#36
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Who he?

	01-08-2003 08:34									#37
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It also appears that Kobe's misleading statements to the police investigators involved something along the lines of "I did not have sex with that woman!"

quote: Sources also said Bryant changed his story, insisting repeatedly that he did not have sex with the alleged victim. About 11:30 p.m., July 1, the day of his knee surgery at the Steadman-Hawkins Clinic, he was interrogated by Eagle County authorities, reportedly with an attorney present, and purportedly changed his story, admitting he had sex with the young woman.

http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs..../NEWS/307300101

	01-08-2003 08:40									#38
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This doesn't tell us anything. Vaginal bruising as a result of intercourse is not uncommon, especially if the man is like me and hung like an angry wild killer bull with the sexual capacity of a greater titan...

...but back to the point. It depends on where the bruising is. If it is on the upper part of the entry to the vagina then it is consistent with consensual sex, if it is the lower part then it is consistent with a forced entry. At least according to the forensic scientist I once heard.

	01-08-2003 08:43									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: He is a rather large man and if he were simply a little vigorous in his approach, some injuries are possible. I guess some of us know Kobe a little better than the rest of us.

only his published stats on height and weight

	05-08-2003 03:41									#40
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This is starting to look worse and worse for Kobe.

quote: Bobby Pietrack, a bellman at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, told police that he saw his 19-year-old co-worker shortly after she left Kobe Bryant's room on the night of the alleged sexual assualt, ESPN's Shelley Smith reported Monday. Pietrack (pronounced pee-track) reportedly told police that the woman was visibly upset, disheveled and had red marks on her neck and face, according to Smith. Sources close to the investigation say Pietrack is considered the first link in the chain of what is called "immediate outcry," meaning he is the first person the alleged victim cried out to immediately following the alleged incident... The alleged victim went to police the following day, approximately 13 hours after the alleged assault. Sources also said that photos taken of her at that point show the marks. Those photos are considered part of the prosecution's evidence.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=1590035

	05-08-2003 03:57									#41
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Maybe this is what that Natalie Imbruglia song 'Torn' is about...it always did sound dodgy to me

	06-08-2003 06:37									#42
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It's coming out that the woman told the Bell Hop that she had just been raped immediately after exiting the room. And there were visible marks on her at that time.

I didn't believe her at first. But it's beginning to look like Kobe actually raped her. How could he do such a thing?

all these witnesses supporting the woman, none supporting Kobe. He's gone. He's going to jail.

	06-08-2003 06:42									#43
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Hey guys. I have a novel approach we should try for this case.


WAIT UNTIL THE ****ING TRIAL IS OVER BEFORE WE PRONOUNCE HIM GUILTY.

	06-08-2003 06:43									#44
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that's no fun

We don't have to abide bay the innocent until proven guilty thing

he's guilty. hang em! err wait I better not say that about a black defendant. I guess the PC term would be to lethally inject him!

	06-08-2003 06:45									#45
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Hey, I hope he don't play again so that the Lakers will suck.

	06-08-2003 13:04									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Hey guys. I have a novel approach we should try for this case. WAIT UNTIL THE ****ING TRIAL IS OVER BEFORE WE PRONOUNCE HIM GUILTY.

Note, I generally have been specifying that he's "probably guilty" or "guilty if the all the news reports are correct." If I were selected to be on the jury judging Kobe, I would refrain from coming to a definate conclusion until after seeing all the facts. In particular, I would want to confirm that the evidence reported was correct and that the details definately are incriminating. I.E. the red marks on the Victim's face and neck were definately caused by scratches from fingers and not "love marks." (I doubt the "love mark" explanation would actually be the case since such marks would be alot less noticible to the witness.)

	06-08-2003 15:42									#47
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…and ascertain whether the marks could have been self-inflicted…

After all, there is sure to be a pile of money involved in the civil case, regardless of the outcome of the criminal case. Or does somebody here actually think there won't be a civil case?

	07-08-2003 10:52									#48
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she said she is not interested in a civil case at this time

	07-08-2003 10:54									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident she said she is not interested in a civil case at this time

thats hardly a surprising response.

	07-08-2003 11:00									#50
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Who cares about the case the real question is who is going to be the PLAYMAKER on the Lakers. Shaq is the playmaker in the paint but we need some outside, drive and slash scoring. Gary Payton runs the floor but would be better off with a strong shooting guard to back him up in the backcourt.

Kobe was good at penetration on and off the court now we need someone who can pick up the slack!

	07-08-2003 11:21									#51
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Kobe was a little too good at penetration

I love tasteless jokes

	08-08-2003 11:34									#52
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Yeah, but "at this time" means "I haven't seen my first lawyers' bill yet."