01-08-2003 09:45									#31
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Fez -

quote: I just hate people who like overstating little mistakes.

Add up all those little "mistakes" and we end up with polls showing roughly half the people think Iraq was behind 9/11 and the skids are greased for a war. Were you equally dismissive of Clinton's bombing of the Sudanese aspirin factory? Many Republicans still point to that episode as an indictment of Clinton's foreign policy. I'm tired of Republicrats and their Tonkin Gulf's getting us into wars.

Slow -

quote: Brits are standing behind their intelligence, Berz.

Then someone should tell all those cabinet officials falling on swords while Bush takes responsibility.

	01-08-2003 10:48									#32
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Brits are standing behind their intelligence, Berz.

But does that man sent to Nigeria stand behind it? No....

Does the IAEA? No....

Does the CIA? No....

Does the White House? No....

Have we found any uranium in Iraq? No....

(Troll Have we found any WoMD in Iraq? Yes! We have found several knifes, forks, etc etc in the homes of several Iraqi citizens. It is believe these knifes were going to be attached to a missile (We haven't found the missile yet. But we will) that can travel to NYC!

	01-08-2003 11:07									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Fez - Add up all those little "mistakes" and we end up with polls showing roughly half the people think Iraq was behind 9/11 and the skids are greased for a war.

What a lie. I hate liars.

quote: Were you equally dismissive of Clinton's bombing of the Sudanese aspirin factory?

Excuse me, but Clinton actually defended Bush as of late.

quote: Many Republicans still point to that episode as an indictment of Clinton's foreign policy. I'm tired of Republicrats and their Tonkin Gulf's getting us into wars.

You are nothing more than a liar... please get off the political bias, and start realizing reality. I am tired of demoncrats endangering democracy.

	01-08-2003 11:09									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Fez What a lie. I hate liars.

Lord, the irony...

	01-08-2003 11:11									#35
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Lord, the irony...

The only irony is you responding to that specific portion.

	01-08-2003 11:14									#36
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What was that supposed to be?

	01-08-2003 11:15									#37
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse What was that supposed to be?

I seen your history here at this forum, you have said enough lies.

	01-08-2003 11:29									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Fez What a lie. I hate liars.

Attempts at evasion: 1
Ad Hominems: 1

quote: Excuse me, but Clinton actually defended Bush as of late.

Attempts at Evasion: 1

quote: You are nothing more than a liar... please get off the political bias, and start realizing reality. I am tired of demoncrats endangering democracy.

Attempts at Evasion: 1
Ad Hominems: 4

Total Evasion Attempts: 3
Total Ad Hominems: 5

	01-08-2003 11:30									#39
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Tass, get help. There should be somebody you can talk with to sort out your issues.

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Fez -

quote: What a lie. I hate liars.

That's nice, but can you be specific about this "lie"? Do you deny polls showed roughly half of Americans believed Iraq was behind 9/11? Do you deny these polls reflected all those little "mistakes" made by the Bush administration to indict Iraq over the months following 9/11?

quote: Excuse me, but Clinton actually defended Bush as of late.

Hmm...citing a liar you supposedly hate as a defense hardly speaks well for your position, but you didn't answer my question. And Clinton didn't say Bush's speech was accurate, he only said his "mistake" was understandable. Fine, then Bush should admit the "mistake" and apologise for mis-leading everyone. That's what I expect from someone taking responsibility...

quote: You are nothing more than a liar... please get off the political bias, and start realizing reality. I am tired of demoncrats endangering democracy.

So now you're claiming no Republicans criticised Clinton for bombing an aspirin factory in the Sudan? Btw, I'm not a
demo(n)crat and I could care less for "democracy"...

	01-08-2003 12:16									#41
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You know I think I heard the wind...

	01-08-2003 12:36									#42
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That would be the sound of air filling a vacuum, closing your mouth should help.

	01-08-2003 14:36									#43
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Fez calm down. Just ignore people when they assualt you.

Check your PM please.

	01-08-2003 17:21									#44
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once again, reasoned debate falls apart when confronted by obtuse party hack political demonization.

	01-08-2003 21:38									#45
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If we all put Fez on ignore, maybe he'll go away

	01-08-2003 22:17									#46
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We could, but he's so damn entertaining when you yourself isn't his victim.

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Good point

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quote: Fez calm down. Just ignore people when they assualt you.

Fez' name wasn't mentioned by anyone in this thread until he jumped in to announce how we were all liars.

quote: We could, but he's so damn entertaining when you yourself isn't his victim.

That's like saying the wet paper bag preventing Fez from escaping is a victim of assault.

	02-08-2003 12:17									#49
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Brits are standing behind their intelligence, Berz.

And that magically makes it true?

	02-08-2003 12:25									#50
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quote: want to distract the country from combating terrorism

-If you want to accuse anyone of distracting the country from combating terrorism, perhaps you start with those who plotted the invasion of Iraq.

quote: You are nothing more than a liar... please get off the political bias, and start realizing reality. I am tired of demoncrats endangering democracy.

-But if your fascist buddies trample all over it, it's ok though, right?

	02-08-2003 12:49									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -If you want to accuse anyone of distracting the country from combating terrorism, perhaps you start with those who plotted the invasion of Iraq.

Actually I am going to accuse those who were against the war, as they are against national security and the interests of democracy. They want to see America suffer at the hands of a dictator. You want to see that.

quote: -But if your fascist buddies trample all over it, it's ok though, right?

I am not fascist, you narrow minded senseless, anti-democratic and anti-american person.

	02-08-2003 12:54									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Actually I am going to accuse those who were against the war, as they are against national security

Iraq posed no threat to the US; however, wasting the military's time toppling the Saddam government was a collossal waste of time and energy and also generated ill-will that will hamper the fight against terrorists.

quote: and the interests of democracy.

What does the war in Iraq have to do with Democracy?

quote: They want to see America suffer at the hands of a dictator. You want to see that.

I thought I made it quite clear that I do not support Generalissimo Bush or his policies

	02-08-2003 12:56									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis Iraq posed no threat to the US; however, wasting the military's time toppling the Saddam government was a collossal waste of time and energy and also generated ill-will that will hamper the fight against terrorists.

Actually the US liberated the Iraqi people, the Iraqi regime had weapons of mass destruction it most likely destroyed or got rid of, and was a threat to the its neighbors, Israel and others. So you are wrong.

quote: What does the war in Iraq have to do with Democracy?

If you are against the war, which liberated the Iraqi people, you are against democracy and human rights.

quote: I thought I made it quite clear that I do not support Generalissimo Bush or his policies

The only side with dictator like policies around here is the left, which loves Saddam Hussein.

	02-08-2003 13:06									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Actually the US liberated the Iraqi people,

Some liberation. They still haven't replaced the Saddam government with something better. Do you honestly think they will allow your precious democracy if some Islamist party wins the elections?

quote: the Iraqi regime had weapons of mass destruction it most likely destroyed or got rid of, and was a threat to the its neighbors, Israel and others.

So let me get this straight... while it was fighting for life and death, with little to nothing to lose, the Iraqi government chose to destroy its weapons rather than use them And you claim it would have used them in any other situation where its survival was not on the line

quote: If you are against the war, which liberated the Iraqi people, you are against democracy and human rights.

I am against the crimes committed in their names. Democracy imposed at bayonet point is not real democracy.

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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis Some liberation. They still haven't replaced the Saddam government with something better. Do you honestly think they will allow your precious democracy if some Islamist party wins the elections?

Yes they have. If a Islamist wins, we will just have to go the Tunisian route. A secular state, but where rights are respected of everybody except islamist fundamentalists. At least the country is developed.

quote: So let me get this straight... while it was fighting for life and death, with little to nothing to lose, the Iraqi government chose to destroy its weapons rather than use them

I think Saddam didn't want the whole world to turn against him. And liberals like you to turn against him. Your have a love affair for his policies of massacres, such as rape, used against women and freedom wanting people.

quote: Democracy imposed at bayonet point is not real democracy.

So why are you against the war? Hey you are right. Saddam did have an election. Everybody had to vote yes or their families would die. Some democracy... based on your own ideas.

	02-08-2003 13:22									#56
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So very interesting Fez. Could you please inform me what the difference is between;

a)

quote: Originally posted by Fez A secular state, but where rights are respected of everybody except islamist fundamentalists.

and b)

quote: Everybody had to vote yes or their families would die. Some democracy... based on your own ideas.

So b) is outright wrong, but a) is just fine?

	02-08-2003 13:26									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin So very interesting Fez. Could you please inform me what the difference is between; a) and b) So b) is outright wrong, but a) is just fine?

If necessary a state like Tunisia will have to be instated. Not a problem. A is not like option B. You can have a democratic dictatorship like that of Tunisia, or you can have a bloodthirsty one like Saddam Hussein.

	02-08-2003 13:38									#58
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Democratic dictatorship eh? I'd say there's a limitit to how far you can change words without changing their meanings.

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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Democratic dictatorship eh? I'd say there's a limitit to how far you can change words without changing their meanings.

Tunisia isn't around launching invasions on other countries, nor have they went around releasing chemical/bio gasses on its people. Tunisia is a land that is a model for the Arab world. As is the United Arab Emirates. If any thing Iraq should go down the path of the UAE.

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So what does that response have to do with my post?