31-07-2003 14:15									#1
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Huh? He did? That's what I hear from the media, and that's what I even heard from Bush. But what exactly is he taking responsibility for?

Bush was asked about the mis-information - the now infamous "16 words" - in his State of the Union speech and whether or not he was taking responsibility for those words. Pardon me, but would that be those 16 words Bush said were in his speech because of British intelligence, the CIA and George Tenet, Condoleeza Rice, Steven Hadley, et al? So Bush said he always takes responsibility for what he says . Was Bush admitting those words were inaccurate and should not have been in the speech even after repeatedly pointing to the British and their continued vouching for that information? Was he offering an apology? Just when did Bush reach the conclusion he needed to "take responsibility" for those words? After all his attempts to convince us we should accept their validity even in the face of growing skepticism or before he and his people started pointing to everyone else in the mad rush to pass the hot potato?

Confused? You've just entered the Twilight Zone where politicians take responsibility without ever taking responsibility. You know, the same weird landscape Janet Reno wandered off into when she took responsibility for the tragedy at Waco by staying in office for almost 8 years. "I'm responsible, now shut up so I can do my job (which includes taking responsibility?)"!

Was Bush also taking responsibility for the weeks he spent avoiding responsibility with claims that "we've found bio-labs", "the British stand by their intelligence", "Saddam was harboring Al-Qaida", blah blah blah? I usually don't give a **** what foreigners think of the US, but we better find those WMD.
I'll tell you, I'm getting tired of this guy. He reminds me of Bill Clinton, which is ironic because I thought the chasm between them wrt honesty was vast. It was truly pathetic seeing this clown wear that smirk while telling us how he "takes responsibility".

	31-07-2003 14:24									#2
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Allow me to direct you to my lastest sig. It shall remain there for a good long while (until King George is over-thrown) as reminder that these words came from the horse's ass. Let's see how long he remembers his own words and owns up to his "responsibility," absolutely.

	31-07-2003 14:33									#3
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"Dear Leader"? The Misleader seems more accurate.

	31-07-2003 14:36									#4
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Liberals... maybe Ann Coulter is right...

	31-07-2003 14:45									#5
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quote: Liberals... maybe Ann Coulter is right...

Fascists... maybe History is right...



Fez, I'm still waiting for an apology from you for your behavior in your birthday thread.



"Dear Leader George W. Bush" is a tongue-in-check saying I've picked up from Democratic Underground. Funny stuff there in their weekly Top 10 Conservative Idiots list...though at the same time disturbing because it is all fact. And yes, Fez, non-Republicans have made appearances in the lists before.

	31-07-2003 14:50									#6
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Ann Coulter...what a stream of censored words SHE is... :Puke:

Shame on you Fez; you DO realize she is spawned from the same vile pit of Hell as Rev. Pat Robertson, Pol Pot, and Jerry Lewis don't you?

	31-07-2003 15:05									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Allow me to direct you to my lastest sig. It shall remain there for a good long while

In that case you should probably correct the spelling.

	31-07-2003 15:05									#8
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quote: maybe Ann Coulter is right...

Would you mean her first book "Slander" or her addendum "Treason"?

	31-07-2003 15:08									#9
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, Blair 'Takes responsability' too, actually he thuroughly believes it was right about things, while skillfully hiding behind various enquiries and such.

	31-07-2003 15:14									#10
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Why the hell are you losers still harping on about this irrelevant ****? There's so many things to attack Bush on, you would think you could latch onto one that actually reflects badly on the man.

	31-07-2003 15:20									#11
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quote: Liberals... maybe Ann Coulter is right...

And while I'm at it...Fez, allow me to direct YOU PERSONALLY to this thread...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...50&pagenumber=1

...for this pair of quotes:
Oerdin said...

quote: Maybe because they are ****ing criminals and Americans don't like criminals who ignore our laws and just continue to do what ever the hell they feel like do. Maybe we think that such criminals are not worthy of becoming citizens and that we would rather see deserving law abiding people become citizens. Naw, that couldn't be it. Please continue your baseless leftist rant.

And I responded...

quote: ... And passing me off as a" leftist" was just rude. You know squat about my political leanings and opinions, so painting a label on me doesn't do much to swing my opinion in favor of your views...

Emphasis on the "you know squat about my political leanings and opinions" part of it.

	31-07-2003 15:25									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Fascists... maybe History is right... Fez, I'm still waiting for an apology from you for your behavior in your birthday thread. "Dear Leader George W. Bush" is a tongue-in-check saying I've picked up from Democratic Underground. Funny stuff there in their weekly Top 10 Conservative Idiots list...though at the same time disturbing because it is all fact. And yes, Fez, non-Republicans have made appearances in the lists before.

How insulting.

I am not giving you any apology. That birthday thread was dumb.

	31-07-2003 15:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Fez How insulting. I am not giving you any apology. That birthday thread was dumb.

Fez, your behaviour in that thread was APPALLING, despite my trying to get you to ignore the naysayers and focus on those of us that weren't attacking you. There were plenty of honest well-wishing posts in that thread for you to focus on instead of the [SARCASM] totally unforseen and unexpected [/SARCASM] negative posts by people who get their jollies in taunting you.

Now you act all "I'm the victim, I'm the victim, woe is me" and expect me to keep caring? Congradulations Fez, you are now the first person I've ever added to ANY of my ignore lists anywhere.

Hope you like your present, drama queen.

	31-07-2003 15:39									#14
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Fez, your behaviour in that thread was APPALLING, despite my trying to get you to ignore the naysayers and focus on those of us that weren't attacking you. There were plenty of honest well-wishing posts in that thread for you to focus on instead of the [SARCASM] totally unforseen and unexpected [/SARCASM] negative posts by people who get their jollies in taunting you. Now you act all "I'm the victim, I'm the victim, woe is me" and expect me to keep caring? Congradulations Fez, you are now the first person I've ever added to ANY of my ignore lists anywhere. Hope you like your present, drama queen.

Somebody say something? Man why the heck do you care about me anyways? I have nothing in common with you.

	31-07-2003 15:48									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I am not giving you any apology. That birthday thread was dumb.

no apology necessary, but at least you should take responsibility for what you said in this thread.

as you can see in politics, taking responsibility causes no further consequences.

	31-07-2003 15:58									#16
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quote: Originally posted by oedo no apology necessary, but at least you should take responsibility for what you said in this thread. as you can see in politics, taking responsibility causes no further consequences.

Name one thing me and DRose have in common. Nothing. So I am not taking responsibility of nothing.

	31-07-2003 16:16									#17
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You're both posting in the OT...

But don't you worry about it Drosem Fez has never taken responsibility for anything. So don't expect any.

	31-07-2003 16:56									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin You're both posting in the OT...

Obvious really wasn't it?

	31-07-2003 17:18									#19
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It's quite a lot that's really obvious when Fez is involved in anything.

	31-07-2003 17:19									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin It's quite a lot that's really obvious when Fez is involved in anything.

HEhehee... well I was attacked in this thread. Like on my birthday. I got a wave of attacks from you people on my birthday. And I have received them today in this thread.

	31-07-2003 17:22									#21
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What goes around comes around. That's what's obvious to me.

	31-07-2003 17:26									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin What goes around comes around. That's what's obvious to me.

I don't think so.

	31-07-2003 17:27									#23
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Fine.

	31-07-2003 17:32									#24
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Somehow, Bush has turned a non event into an event by first dodging and weaving, and then saying he took full responsibility.

Too late.

As others have pointed out, there was nothing at all inaccurate in the 16 word statement. The statement attributed the intelligence to the British and that was true statement by itself. Moreover, the British continue to stand behind their intelligence.

Bush should never have stated that there was a mistake in putting the statement in his speech.

	31-07-2003 17:32									#25
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Brits are standing behind their intelligence, Berz.

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	31-07-2003 17:36									#26
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I just hate people who like overstating little mistakes. They are nothing more than political partisans who want to see America suffer. They make a big deal about 16 words, so the nation can suffer. They want to distract the country from combating terrorism and before you know it there will be another terrorist attack because some political partisans just couldn't keep their self righteous behavior to themselves. I see this behavior here in this forum all the time!

	31-07-2003 17:46									#27
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Overall, the tendency to give to much importance to a few phrases here and there instead of focusing on the more important things, is not very productive. In this case I suppose what Bush actually do is somewhat more important than what he said in some general speech. Another example is economists that spend a lot of effort on exacly what Greenspan states as an indication of economic development. Missunderstandings should be expected .

	31-07-2003 20:11									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Confused? You've just entered the Twilight Zone where politicians take responsibility without ever taking responsibility.

You're right on the nose, Berserker

	31-07-2003 21:43									#29
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yay, it only took him 7 months!

	01-08-2003 09:20									#30
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet In that case you should probably correct the spelling.

Why? The original was probably mispronounced anyway...