31-07-2003 19:34									#1
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I've looked for it everywhere and tried it everywhich way, but a buildable ocean bridge (see Confederation Bridge) seems impossible. I don't know if anyone cares, or if everyone has relegated it to the immodable, but I thought I'd share my latest attempt, and hopefully discussion and a subsequent solution will be discovered.

The closest I've gotten is this: I create an immobile deployable transport ship, very expensive, and create a 'bridge' of these units across a section of coast (I've decided that great expense and coast-only would be realistic requirements for these, as well as for the sake of game balance). Then, I allow workers to build railroads on coastal, walk the worker onto the "platform", and build said improvements.

The trouble is this: while units could certainly traverse a bridge of transports, they do not gain the movement bonus of the railroad. I cannot find any line or file that will allow this change, but I'm hoping someone else has stumbled across it.

I think this approach, should it ever come to fruition, is the most realistic. These bridges would be expensive, immobile, destroyable, defendable (by ships), and a feasible way to connect close landmasses. Sorry for the longwindedness, I just wanted to present all my research and findings; perhaps someone knows how to make this possible?

	31-07-2003 23:18									#2
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Many things like this have been tried and AFAIK none of them really ever worked well. One of the main reasons is the AI wont use it.

	01-08-2003 16:29									#3
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quote: Originally posted by 0bsidi0n The trouble is this: while units could certainly traverse a bridge of transports, they do not gain the movement bonus of the railroad. I cannot find any line or file that will allow this change, but I'm hoping someone else has stumbled across it.

It's due to the fact that the unit has to be loaded and unloaded on each move from ship to ship. This is almost certainly hardcoded to take up one movement point.

	02-08-2003 01:34									#4
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The Holy Grail of modding is EVENTS.

	02-08-2003 01:41									#5
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Touché Immortal Wombat. I guess the dream really is dead. I agree events would be great for scenarios, but I like to play a fresh game every time, so unless you could create random events I wouldn't really care.

	02-08-2003 01:51									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat It's due to the fact that the unit has to be loaded and unloaded on each move from ship to ship. This is almost certainly hardcoded to take up one movement point.

Actually, I think it is possible to do it without using movement points. I forget how, but I remember we did it in the first civ3 demogame to reach Uber Isle.

	02-08-2003 03:13									#7
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Actually, I think it is possible to do it without using movement points. I forget how, but I remember we did it in the first civ3 demogame to reach Uber Isle.

You're right... the maneuver was transferring the settler from the galley on our shore to the galley on Uber Isle's shore without risking the settler or the galley on the Uber side. The galleys met on a sea tile near the middle and the settler was activated, then loaded into the galley from the Uber side, which had movement left to take it back to the coast.

So a transport bridge is possible, but you need more ships than tiles that need to be crossed, and the number of ships limits how many can cross on a turn.

	02-08-2003 03:37									#8
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quote: The Holy Grail of modding is EVENTS.

I would agree with this.

Has there been any word on whether or not the new "robust" conquests editor will have the ability for us to add events?

	02-08-2003 05:25									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep You're right... the maneuver was transferring the settler from the galley on our shore to the galley on Uber Isle's shore without risking the settler or the galley on the Uber side. The galleys met on a sea tile near the middle and the settler was activated, then loaded into the galley from the Uber side, which had movement left to take it back to the coast.

Did it not take up a movement point for the settler?


Events? good luck (sig). All you need in theory is one random() function to be able to create any variety of random events.

	02-08-2003 05:34									#10
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That would be interesting IW. Fixed events are all nice, but random events are the real deal

	05-08-2003 19:51									#11
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Kloreep/Skywalker,
Would either of you be able to point me to a resource, link, or anything else so I can get more info about this Uber Isle? I've never even heard of it before, but now I'm excited again that this just might work...

	07-08-2003 22:41									#12
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The galley thing is the old ship-chain maneuver.

Speaking of events, is there such an event that would teleport a unit from point A to B and vice versa? That could be used as a "bridge" of sorts.