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Agathon, it wasn't a 'skin show'...


I know... I was joking. Shame though.

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autobiographies[/q]Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, An American Slave
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wars in general
What if?
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movie books
Jurassic Park
Road to Perdition

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Agathon, well you realise why it couldn't be a skin show, even if it was aired by some adult channel? You pervert!

Fez, I have Sun Tzus Art Of War. It's ok book.
About that other one... I'm not very sure, as it is written by someone who wasn't a grunt in the war but politician...

DinoDoc, what if? What is that book?
Jurassic Park.. it's based on a book? I'm not sure..
Road to Perdition, I liked the movie very much, I could see myself enjoying the book

Hey anyone know any good spy books? Not fiction! Real spy book from ex-spy, modern spy.. ??

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DinoDoc, what if? What is that book?
What If?: The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What Might Have Been
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Jurassic Park.. it's based on a book?
It's based on a very well written book, IMO.

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Agathon, well you realise why it couldn't be a skin show, even if it was aired by some adult channel? You pervert!


Yes, it is so perverted to desire attractive naked women.

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DD, Thanks. Looks interesting.

Agathon, I was thinking about her being underaged and all.. but I guess you like them young and fresh!

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Read by The Jungle Upton Sinclair.

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'Blood, Class and Nostalgia: Anglo-American Ironies'
by Christopher Hitchens.

Looks at the history of the political, cultural and dynastic ties between the U.S.A. and the U.K.

'The Bonnie and Clyde Book' edited by Sandra Wake and Nicola Hayden. Contains stills from the film, the screenplay, an essay by Pauline Kael, interviews with Arthur Penn, the director, producer Warren Beatty, and more reviews and essays besides. Shows that a lot of today's film makers have a great deal to forget and more to learn.

'An Angel at My Table', by Janet Frame.

The autobiography of a New Zealand poet and novelist, incorrectly diagnosed at an early age with schizophrenia who had to endure electroshock therapy in the run down asylums of the time, and her eventual release just before she was scheduled for a leucotomy. Made into a three part serial for New Zealand television and an award winning film by Jane Campion.

'The Tarim Mummies' by J.P. Mallory and Victor H. Mair.

Examines the evidence for the origin of the fair-skinned caucasoid tartan/plaid wearing mummies found in the arid oases dotted Silk Road region of China.

'Blues Fell This Morning' by Paul Oliver, foreword by Richard Wright.

As well as a history of the blues (and the variety of blues) you get reproductions of original blues advertisements, discography of quoted blues, original recording dates, session information, lyrics, frankly everything the blues fan could want, except original Bessie Smith and Robert Johnson 78s.

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St Leo, what are those books?


They are sf comedies for Oswald.

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About that other one... I'm not very sure, as it is written by someone who wasn't a grunt in the war but politician...


You should see the other translations out there for the Art of War. And Machiavelli also has his own.

Kissinger.. well... he had a lot to say in that book. I am currently reading it. Sure it may not be a war book directly related to some battle, but it talks about the overall war and the diplomatic breakdown that occurred with the North Vietnamese. More political however.

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Pekka, I recommend The Great War: The American Front



In How Few Remain, Harry Turtledove set the stage for his stunning
alternate history of World War I. Now, with The Great War: American
Front,
he carries this towering epic into the early twentieth century in a bold
re-imagining of the fateful war that hurtled humanity into the modern
age.
Envision a divided America--one camp led by Theodore Roosevelt, the other
by Woodrow Wilson--in the most explosive conflict humankind has seen,
where
global war is waged with sophisticated weaponry on American soil for the
first time in history.



When the Great War engulfed Europe in 1914, the United States and the
Confederate States of America, bitter enemies for five decades, entered
the
fray on opposite sides: the United States aligned with the newly strong
Germany, while the Confederacy joined forces with their allies, Britain
and
France. But it soon became clear to both sides that this fight would be
different--that war itself would never be the same again. For this was to
be a protracted, global conflict waged with new and chillingly efficient
innovations--the machine gun, the airplane, poison gas, and trench warfare.



In the Americas, the fighting spread like wildfire on multiple and
far-flung fronts. The U.S. Army invaded the South, striking in Virginia,
Kentucky, and the West and assaulted Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec. As
President Theodore Roosevelt rallied the diverse ethnic groups of the
northern states--Irish and Italians, Mormons and Jews--Confederate
President Woodrow Wilson struggled to hold together a Confederacy still
beset by ignorance, prejudice, and class divisions. And as the war raged
on, southern blacks, oppressed for generations, are fatefully drawn into a
climactic confrontation.



In The Great War: American Front, Harry Turtledove creates a vast,
vibrant
canvas that blends actual events and players with a history as it might
have been. This unforgettable, deeply moving, and superbly original novel
is a triumph of the creative imagination.
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Don't worry about reading How Few Remain, it's more of a prequel.

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"Squares of the City" by John Brunner, if you like chess.

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Last of the mohicans. classic, war, movie.

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Jurassic Park.. it's based on a book?
It's based on a very well written book, IMO.


I'm half with ya, Doc. If Crichton had just done a TEENY tiny little bit more research, or talked to a biologist or two, it might have been much, much more believable.

Movie kicked booty, though. Except for the kids. Where the he11 did they come from, and what purpose did they serve?

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Last of the mohicans. classic, war, movie.


Yeah, great bedtime reading

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I'm half with ya, Doc.
I'm a sucker for dinosaurs. I bought Lost World as well.

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In the same vein as "What If?":

Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus

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Some very good suggestions folks, thanks, keep'em coming! Many books I've never heard, so this is good times.

st_swithin, do you mean, that in the book (original) there was no kids involved? No kids coming to the park?
You know.. now that I think of it.. it even sounds and feels a whole lot of better thing.

I guess they brought those kids so the younger audience would like it, and it wouldn't make the movie too scary?

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st_swithin, do you mean, that in the book (original) there was no kids involved?
They had the two kids in the book. She just means that she would rather they not have been there.

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Autobiography - Living My Life by Emma Goldman

War memoir of parts of the Spanish Civil War - Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell

Movie book - A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess

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Newest Stephen King novel:

"The Outlier" - the 5th book of the Gunslinger series

This is King's greatest work EVER - his opus magnus, if you will. I already know how it ends, and I believe it is FAR AND AWAY the best book of the millenium!

Don't wanna spoil it for ya - go buy a copy, available at any book store or library near you.

The artwork is fvcking AMAZING - the artist on the Lost World vg (formerly Dreamworks Interactive), Sunil Thankamushy, is the MAN.

Of course, I'm a little bit biased, since we did go to college together (GO BRUINS!!!)

There's an art book coming out soon too, but I don't know when it's going to be released. Any estimates yet, Sunil?

Just lmkasap. Thanks! -tsd

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Kent Family Chronicles, by John Jakes.

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st_swithin, do you mean, that in the book (original) there was no kids involved? No kids coming to the park?
You know.. now that I think of it.. it even sounds and feels a whole lot of better thing.

I guess they brought those kids so the younger audience would like it, and it wouldn't make the movie too scary?

I'm not sure why st_swithin thinks this, the kids were definately in the original book. The explanation in the book was that an investor in the park was essentially treating it as a vacation spot (the original intention of the park creators) and was bringing along the kids for a few days.

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movie books
And that is when the movie is based on the book, NOT the other way thank you.


The Shipping News --it was a mediocre movie because the plot is not much...a guy's wife is killed, so he takes their two kids, moves to Labrador with his aunt and gets a job with the local paper. But the writing is incredible! I believe it won the Pulizer Prize.

Cold Mountain --the movie hasn't been released but, I'm expecting much from it because again, not much of a plot. A confederate soldier walks home from the war as his fiance struggles to keep of the family farm going. But an astonishing writing style! Winner of the National Book Award.

Oh, and by the way, if you've never read To Kill a Mockingbird and Uncle Tom's Cabin, you should be ashamed of yourself!

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War memoir of parts of the Spanish Civil War - Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell


I concur.

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Movie book - A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
Hint: In the back of the book there's a slang-to-English dictionary. It helps you figure out what Burgess is saying in passages like, "The old man ran out of the house waiving his rookers." (Rookers are arms.)

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Read the "Autobiography of Emperor Joshua Norton," by Mark Twain. "Life on the Mississippi" is good too.

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An autobiography/movie-book two-fer:

"Wise Guys" by Nicholas Pileggi. It's the true story of mafia figure Henry Hill, and thus the basis for Martin Scorsese's "Goodfellas." Constructed largely from interviews with Hill and his wife, very well-written and absolutely hilarious.

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For a movie based on a book I say you should read
Sum of All Fears by Tom Clancy. The Movie they made on the book sucked, but the book was great.
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Cold Mountain --the movie hasn't been released but, I'm expecting much from it because again, not much of a plot. A confederate soldier walks home from the war as his fiance struggles to keep of the family farm going. But an astonishing writing style! Winner of the National Book Award.


Agreed. It was much better than I expected it to be.

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Hint: In the back of the book there's a slang-to-English dictionary. It helps you figure out what Burgess is saying in passages like, "The old man ran out of the house waiving his rookers." (Rookers are arms.)


It was much more fun trying to figure out Burgess' slang by contextual clues than using the dictionary IMO.

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Some good books I have read:

Vietnam:

"We Were Soldiers Once, and Young"

The book that the movie "We Were Soldiers" was based upon. It is much better than the movie, and tells the story in much the same way SLA Marshall (anything by him is worth reading too) would, from multiple first hand perspectives including the commanding officer who is one of the co-authors. The book covers the period from the inception of the AirCavalry concept (lightly) through two battles (in great detail) on to the "what happened to these guys later" (again lightly).

"Bloods"

An oral history of black soldiers in Vietnam. The authors interviewed 25 (iirc) black veterans of the Vietnam war. An amazing array of perspectives, and most are fascinating as well as touching. Some of these guys won medals for valor, and these stories alone make the book worthwhile. But the stories of the older men who served in the segregated Army in WW2 are utterly fascinating from a social perspective, and if anything even more touching. Highly recommended.

"Fields of Fire"

I rarely read much less endorse historical fiction, but in this case I'll make an exception. Written by James H. Webb who was a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and led a platoon of Marines during the Vietnam War, this book is the real deal for atmosphere and language. Google the title and see how Vietnam vets love this book to see what I mean. It is IMO the Vietnam War's Catch-22, in that it immerses you emotionally in the world that the author conveys. Unlike Catch-22, it also manages to teach you a lot about the technical and tactical realities of this part of the Vietnam war.

Korea:

"Pork Chop Hill" by SLA Marshall. Marshall was a veteran of WW1 and in WW2 he was the U.S. Army's official historian. By Korea he had seen an immense amount of combat and written about it. His techniques for interviewing soldiers after action were also very well evolved. This book is the result of his debriefing of the survivors of this battle in 1953, and it is excellent. Rarely have military historians had such immediate and complete access to their subjects, and this combined with Marshall's forensic skills wring every detail from this battle and turn it into a very complete record. Truth is stranger than fiction, and no where is this made more clear than in Marshall's work on the battlefield.

"The River and the Gauntlet" Ibid

Same author and style, but this covers the destruction of the Second Infantry Division by massive attacks of the PLA at the end of 1951, from the advance to the Yalu through the retreat to the 38th parallel. Covers action on a much larger scale than Pork Chop Hill, and interviews were not conducted as immediately. But for all that it contains not only a hundred fascinating individual stories, but a fair amount of operational detail as well.

 
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