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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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Puerto Ricans Lament Loss of Vieques Dollars


Monday, July 28, 2003

MIAMI — File this one under "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."


The people of Puerto Rico are facing some unanticipated consequences from a victory they won in 2001.

For several years, Puerto Rican protesters demanded that the U.S. Navy leave the island of Vieques (search). Groups staged violent protests outside the main gate of "Camp Garcia," saying they were sick and tired of the live-fire bombing exercises.

The violence resulted in the gates of the base being torn down. Several U.S. troops and police dogs were injured in the demonstrations.

In response to the years of protest, former President Clinton agreed to stop Navy exercises there. Congress and President Bush ratified the deal and live-fire exercises were halted last May. But with its mission muzzled after 60 years, the Navy has decided to pull out of Puerto Rico completely.

That means the largest employer on the island, the Roosevelt Roads Naval Station (search), is now slated for closure that could come as early as October.

Island workers are accusing the Navy of economic revenge.

"You dedicate all your talents, all your efforts. You're loyal to your employer, this case being the U.S. Navy, and what do you get in return? A kick in the you-know-what," said Ana Angelet of the Puerto Rican chapter of the American Federation of Government Employees.

The 2004 defense-spending bill that is working its way through Congress has a provision in it to close the base down officially. With the loss of the base, Puerto Rico will also lose nearly $300 million the military pumped into it each year.

Puerto Ricans say the Navy is just mad because they won, and forced the live exercises to end. The Navy does not hide its disappointment. Navy officials say the location was long considered the best overall spot for exercises and stopping the live-fire training cost American military lives.

Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., a member of the Armed Services Committee (search), said Puerto Rico's politicians are to blame for the financial misfortune since they backed the protests.

"I just think it's a shame that the people, the ones that are suffering, are the people of Puerto Rico because it was the politicians that did it to them," Inhofe said.

Puerto Rican Gov. Sila Calderon, who backed the booting of the Navy from Vieques, made no apologies for a decision that could crush the Puerto Rican economy.

"We are partners with the U.S., but definitely the rights of the people of Vieques are not for sale or for any other purpose," Calderon said.

She also refused to discuss the possibility that the base closure could become law.

"This decision is not final at this point. The bill is not approved, and our aim as the commonwealth government is to have the decision postponed for 2005, when all the bases are going to be evaluated," she said.

The U.S. government may decide to hold onto the more than 8,000 acres, rather than returning it to the people of Puerto Rico.

"Those that don't want that to happen say well, 'Let's just give back to the Puerto Rican politicians,' and reward them with an asset that's worth $1.7 billion for kicking us off that range that has cost American lives. That's just not going to happen," Inhofe said.

The sense on all sides is that Congress will give the green light to shut down "Rosie Roads" officially. Bush could sign the bill into law as early as next month.



A certain line regarding cake comes to mind.

Sava is offline Sava
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"Let them suck it?"

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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I think it's funny as ****.

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so, what. they want to get paid for the navy, but disallow the major reason the navy is there?

yes. cake indeed.

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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I see an 8000 acre wildlife preserve comming, will very limited human visitation.

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Did the opposition to live training get majority support from the population, or was the issue hijacked by some protesters and politicians ?

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That's funny. They wanted to Navy to stop live fire bombing practice, and then the Navy decided without that there was no reason to be in Puerto Rico, so they are leaving, and now the people are mad they are leaving?

Come on.. what did they expect?

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I don;t get this. The navy was using the Island of Vieques: (I will assume correctly that most posters here don;t have a freaking clue about the geography of PR), but it still makes sense to have a navy presence in PR, even if not as large as when they did have the live fire excersices.

Just means more welfare checks and other Federal benefits to the Island then....

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it still makes sense to have a navy presence in PR, even if not as large as when they did have the live fire excersices.


With Gitmo so close, do they really need a base in PR?

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With Rooselvelt, what did we need Gitmo for? (before it became a prisoner dumping area)

Oh, and Gitmo is not that close: you forget that Hispanola is between Cuba and PR.

The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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To stick it to the Cubans, of course!

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I feel nothing.

You can't have a navy base where you can't use live ammunition. what good is it?

The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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No good, at all.

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To stick it to the Cubans, of course!



Yeah ! Cuban bastards !

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