04-08-2003 13:40									#1
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Hi all,

this poll is looking different from the rest. Instead of polling I thought let's try something different.

Everyone who want's to particpate has 160 points to spent. 160 you'll ask, why? We have 38 choices were you can spent those points (race picks, size and so on). So I thought let's round it up and times 4. We might not get a working race or settings out of it, but we can have a better picture of what WE want.
If you don't agree with it, just vote no in the poll, if you agree with this way, vote YES and post your options.
You can spend the point's anyway you want (except more than 40 points on one subject, which 1/4 of your points). You are free to change your opinion, but please make it clear.

As usual Abstain/banana is included as well..........

(I'll update the list once or twice a day..........)

	04-08-2003 13:41									#2
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30 : Tolerant / +10
20 : Repulsive / -6
110: Creative / +8
30 : Production +2 / +6
50 : Production +1 / +3
30 : Omniscient / +3
40 : Artifact HW / +3(?)
30 : Large HW / +1
0 : Rich HW / +2
50 : Dictatorship / 0
30 : Feudal / -4
40 : Uni / +6
40 : Science+2 / +6
120: Subterran / +6
40 : Aquatic / +5(?)
40 : -20& Ship def / -2
80 : Warlord / +4

10: huge
50: mineral rich
10: 8 players
30: 5 players
20 random switched off
20 Anti's on


Resorted and changed the layout, included the cost as well.

Last edited by Gilgamensch on 12-08-2003 at 12:58

	04-08-2003 19:18									#3
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asdf this is going to be a zoo.

Tolerant:30
Production +2:30
Omniscient:30
Large HW:30
Dictatorship:10
huge:10
8 players:10
mineral rich:10

Any options that I missed?

	04-08-2003 21:08									#4
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Science+2: 40
5 players: 30
Feudal: 30
mineral rich: 30
Production+2: 30

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Repulsive: 160

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no more then 40 for each vmxa :P

	05-08-2003 01:09									#7
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Can some one list all the options and their point cost for those of us who don't have it currently installed?

	05-08-2003 01:27									#8
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I voted banana (because I think that we could vote on the game choice options in one set of polling and the race picks in another.)

But in case we do opt for the 160 point version,

Put me down for Uni -- 40 points,
+1 Pro -- 30 points,
Sub -- 40 points,
-20% ship def -- 20 points,
I'm OK with repulsive (+ it simplifies a whole arena of activity) -- 20 points
and if we're not going with creative (I can almost see the handwriting) then maybe we'd want +1 spy -- 10 points.

Leaving 10 points for Large or Huge Map

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Fuedal -4
Dict 0
Demo 7
Uni 6
LowG -5
High G 6
Aqua 5
Sub 6
LHW 1
RHW 2
AHW 3
Cyber 4
Lith 10
Rep -6
Char 3
Uncreative -4
Creative 8 (sorry 1.2 does not exist for me)
Tol 10
Traders 4
Tel 6
Omni 3
Stealth 4
TransD 5
Warlord 4

	05-08-2003 01:47									#10
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Pop (-50%/+50%/+100% for -4/3/6 picks)

Farm (-0.5/+1/+2 for -3/4/7 picks)


Industry (-1/+1/+2 for -3/3/6 picks)

science (-1/+1/+2 for -3/3/6 picks)

Money (-0.5/+0.5/+1 for -4/5/8 picks)

Ship Attack (-20/+20/+50 for -2/2/4 picks)

Ship Def (-20/+25/+50 for -2/3/7 picks)

Ground Combat (-10/+10/+20 for -2/2/4 picks)

Spying (-10/+10/+20 for -2/2/4 picks)

	05-08-2003 01:48									#11
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Can some one list all the options and their point cost for those of us who don't have it currently installed?

Check these and see if I missed something.

	05-08-2003 01:52									#12
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quote: cience+2: 40 5 players: 30 Feudal: 30 mineral rich: 30 Production+2: 30

Knew I forgot something...

Scratch Prod+2, add Creative at 30

	05-08-2003 01:56									#13
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One point you make Old N Slow is that a creative repulsive race will eliminate a bunch of votes.
Me I like it when other drop a game or a race out there for me to play. It is nice to have something different to try. So I am fine with what ever comes to pass.
I tend to post a counter point to get ideas and perspective. You know, to see if someone has a better arguement and I need to change gears. Not so much to convince them, but to verify or shoot down my perspective. In the end, we may agree to disagre and that cool.
I guess what I am saying is I was not trying to make a case that creative sucks or is weak or anything. I like to play it from time to time. It is fun to have all the goodies.

	05-08-2003 02:38									#14
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Sub 40
LHW 40
RHW 40
Warlord 40

	05-08-2003 14:30									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow I voted banana (because I think that we could vote on the game choice options in one set of polling and the race picks in another.) But in case we do opt for the 160 point version, Put me down for Uni -- 40 points, +1 Pro -- 30 points, Sub -- 40 points, -20% ship def -- 20 points, I'm OK with repulsive (+ it simplifies a whole arena of activity) -- 20 points and if we're not going with creative (I can almost see the handwriting) then maybe we'd want +1 spy -- 10 points. Leaving 10 points for Large or Huge Map

Old N Slow,

maybe I can't count anymore, but 40+30+40+20+20+10+10 doesn't make 160 I have taken that you have preference spy over map................If not please correct.

	05-08-2003 17:33									#16
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quote: I guess what I am saying is I was not trying to make a case that creative sucks or is weak or anything.

I love creative and I totally think it's weak.

	06-08-2003 00:17									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch Old N Slow, maybe I can't count anymore, but 40+30+40+20+20+10+10 doesn't make 160 I have taken that you have preference spy over map................If not please correct.

I live & work near the government -- are you implying that I can't count in my favor

Next time I'll see if I can bambozzle the crowd with 180 points worth of votes

Good catch, though

	06-08-2003 00:23									#18
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Go ahead & drop my banana's last 10 points for map size -- I'm rather indifferent.

	06-08-2003 00:31									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow Go ahead & drop my banana's last 10 points for map size -- I'm rather indifferent.

Nice try, you almost got away with.

I would have too, but with only one slection it would have been hard to sneak mine past them.

	06-08-2003 08:33									#20
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So where do we go from here?

	06-08-2003 14:07									#21
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Once we finished here, we can make a run-off poll. But this way we limited what we want and can get a better picture what to vote for in the finial run.............. (should be next week)
(I know I haven't voted yet.)

quote: I live & work near the government -- are you implying that I can't count in my favor Next time I'll see if I can bambozzle the crowd with 180 points worth of votes Good catch, though

I always knew that governmental jobs are only for the non-intelligent ones

I will keep an eye on you

I only realised it, by the way, when I was rechecking if I put all your votes in (ups......)

	07-08-2003 07:34									#22
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I want to change my 40 votes for a Large Home World to 40 votes for SubTerranian and change my 40 votes for Rich Home World to 40 votes for Warlord.

	07-08-2003 13:30									#23
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updated and still thinking how shall I vote, I mujst admit I favour creative, don't like to think so much about choosing between the options........But I think later today I'll vote as well...........

We had 10 participants in the other poll, why only so few here?

	07-08-2003 13:33									#24
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Creative 40 (+8)
Aquatic 40 (+5)
Dictatorship 40 (0)
Artifacts HW 40 (+3)

If we play creative, we need to compensate the slow start with something - I think Aquatic and Artifacts HW will do. I see that many people want to play with large populations (many votes for sub). Aquatic also gives pop bonus (actually it gives the gaia transformation bonus from the start) and also gives food bonus to feed your pop. On a large homeworld with my suggestion we will get 20 pop (with biospheres). A subterranean race will get 22 but will need one more farmer to feed its pop.

Last edited by bakalov on 08-08-2003 at 14:41

	07-08-2003 19:09									#25
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But does the aquatic benefit carry over to barren (and radiated) worlds? The choice between mineral rich vs organic rich may make a difference then.

	07-08-2003 19:42									#26
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well, your homeworld doesn't need as many people farming to feed those worlds.

	08-08-2003 03:14									#27
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though, thats only a problem with tolerant, only there does population grow fast enough and large enough to put a food strain on your hw, in addition to needing a ton of freighters. You are pretty much forced to beeline for soil enrichment whether you picked uni or not.

as for food bonus's there are the food picks,aquatic,cybernetic(which is actually a good pick for production because of the surplus you generate working food is transfered to a surplus of production),unification and lithovore.

	08-08-2003 08:31									#28
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cybernetics eat production, not a good thing. If they get blockaded theyare dead.

	08-08-2003 08:53									#29
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except for poor and ultra poor worlds with no infrastructure(and unless you picked +2 production), you get more production then food, and since it is 1/2 and 1/2 you can parley what would have been a worthless food surplus into a production surplus that is always worth while.

	08-08-2003 12:10									#30
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Exact aquatic benefits:

makes Tundra and Swamp worlds like Terran
makes Terran and Ocean like Gaia

Anyway this is a very good starting bonus. Only the +1 food costs 4 picks. It does not help so much late in the game but probably we will crush the enemies much earlier :-)